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Mr. T
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2001 10:47 am     Reply with quote


My first try at speed painting... photoshop&wacom, 35 minutes 9 seconds, 1 layer. Trying to get a different (right) approach to painting. Constructive crits welcome.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2001 12:57 pm     Reply with quote
damn that looks pretty much like a place i visited when i was in morocco..
it was some house in marakech (no idea on spelling)

anyway.. the pic. its looking good, specially for just 35 minutes..
i'll have to try that sometime, speed painting
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2001 3:37 pm     Reply with quote
here's another one:

dunno how long.. about 30-40 minutes

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2001 4:36 pm     Reply with quote
very nice.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2001 1:51 am     Reply with quote
eh.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2001 4:06 am     Reply with quote
*cry*

How long did it take to draw? I think this is exactly what I want to learn by drawing tons of fast pics - expression. All my pics are so damn cold. No tension, mood, anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2001 1:44 pm     Reply with quote
here's mine. 20 minutes... one ugly fella!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2001 2:50 pm     Reply with quote
I like them. I love the third one. FANTASTIC mood & colours.
One thing that struck me as odd about the last one though is his right arm (to our left). Shouldn't the biceps dive below the deltoid, and not the other way around ? Seems right on the other arm.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2001 12:07 am     Reply with quote
Hi t,

Try to think about what you are doing, analyze before you paint. A lot of useless rendering and scribbling just weakens the image. If you have 40 minutes, that time does not have to be taken up in frantic scribbling. Think about it, then do it. Make a stroke, evaluate it. It is hard at first, just the opposite of what you think you should be doing, but stick with it, and you will get faster.

Play up the differences between materials. Look at the penknife and the surface it sits on. You have 3 materials, ground, steel and plastic. The steel should have the least texture and "scribbly" contrasty stuff in it. You have rendered them all the same.

See the shadow shape of the body of the knife? What in that shape is not helping describe things? How could it be simplified, cleaned up. I am not saying a total lack of texture, but the design in the drawing must be there.

Maybe the ground could be a little more scribbly. Try to play flat areas off areas with more texture. The more variety you get into the image that better it will be. Flat areas against textured areas, big shapes and a few small shapes. Create contrast with as many different parameters as you can.

Off to do the cubes

And now, to contradict everything I just said,

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2001 1:55 am     Reply with quote
This is actually a painting I'm working on right now:


Spooge,

What's the thing behind the guys staff in the first pic? You could add a bit more contrast there and I think the texture/canvas in the sky is too visible.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2001 3:26 am     Reply with quote
Here are some quick portrait sketches I did of one of my new models.
Nandi~


I did all of them in less than an hour.

Take it easy,
MDM
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2001 3:49 am     Reply with quote
good job there Malachi,
u did those sketches using what tool/media?
manually or using computers?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2001 4:12 am     Reply with quote
Spooge, many thanks on the reply. Learned some new things. I must admit that there was a lot of useless scribbling here, mostly just to see how it looks like, and partially because I was really nervous and checking the clock every two minutes . I guess, more, much more practice will help here.

p.s. and I should try drawing those cubes too.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2001 4:58 am     Reply with quote
soulnine~ Thanx for the complement. They were done in PhotoShop 6 on a 9x12 Wacom Intuos tablet.

MDM
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2001 7:01 am     Reply with quote
How's this? Any improvement?

25 minutes. and it looks better, IMO, than the knife pic. off for more practice .
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2001 3:07 am     Reply with quote
Bg, I looked at that image again, and there are some things I like. I agree the contrast issues with the arm/cross and tree. It's a tree, no? Hum Anyone else not see what it is? I think I will tweak it a little more.

mr t, that is better observed, much better. Now try to do it with a larger brush, and simplify thinks a little, You are seeing well, just need to edit a little.

and another contradiction:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2001 3:43 am     Reply with quote
craig i like that last pic. how come i haven't seen it on your site?

i like all of the pictures in this thread. these guys really get me wanting to pic up the ol wacom and paint for for 20-40 minutes to see what comes out... too bad between work, school and weekends i have absolutly no time to do this :P
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2001 7:04 am     Reply with quote
Spooge: It first looked like a tree, but after a while I couldn't decide if it's a tree or an explosion!

The above sketch (almost) finished:
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2001 7:55 am     Reply with quote
wow heh this is so impressive. I am gonna do one of these as soon as i have the time (later this after noon). My question (which odly enough doesnt go to the person who started the thread ) goes to Spooge. Did you use a texture to get that painted feel to your quickies?

OH yeah, Mr. T the improvement between your first 2 and the 3rd are absolutely spectacular.

Jake
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2001 7:57 am     Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2001 9:29 am     Reply with quote
Here's a fresh one - my Latin teacher

(he's not like this in class )

meat sack: i should with larger brushes? ok. simplifying will be a problem i think, but nothing a few days of hard work won't solve, right?

/edit - forgot to say the time 40 minutes

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2001 12:07 pm     Reply with quote
ok i did it. This took about 25 minutes, and is my first time painting 1. a car, and 2. a background/pastoral scene. I chopped the picture to about 1/2 of its size or so.
I love this thread heh
(EDIT) This is from a car out side my dorm window.

Jake



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2001 1:37 am     Reply with quote
Moleculeman, I scanned in some old seascape paintings I had done and just painted over them. The first one is almost totally changed, but the second is pretty untouched. I like to push an idea to absurdity to see what happens, then pull it back a little.

Jezebel, that looks really good! You have some really good organization of values that makes me really feel the cylinder of the head. That is not easy to do when you have a whole bunch of confusing sub forms on top of the main cylinder. And to do it in a sketch....

T, You can use smaller brushes, no law against that, but there is a law against " something is not right here, maybe a few glistens of moisture on the lip, a few dodge and burns in the eye highlight, ah! I have distracted the viewer from the fact I don't know what I am doing!!" hmm that sounds harsh, but you know what I mean.

Another thing to keep in mind, read the Sargent notes again. Which are now in word format!!! He talks about "false accents. This means overstating a value, and it exactly what I mean with the glistening lip highlight, dodge/burn thing.

He does make the distinction between something finished and a sketch, how they are different from the outset. When you make a sketch, you exaggerate the values and local color. Look at friar tuck up there; it works of silhouettes and contrast. Look at the dude smoking. The skin, collar and wall are all of very similar local color, but they are also very close in value in the painting. This would be the start of something more finished, I think, if I understand JSS correctly.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2001 2:15 am     Reply with quote
Worthless_Meat_Sack:Ehm, I don't use dodge&burn. When I was saving the pic to jpeg it seemed lighter than the original so I played a bit with brightness and contrast, that's why it looks like this. Being harsh is ok, it makes me work harder.

I read Sargents notes in gif, didn't understand most of it. A moment ago got the word file. Thanks.

It's weekend, gonna draw a lot these two days , trying to keep in mind everything you said.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2001 3:22 am     Reply with quote
best stuff on the board as usually spooge... but i think you\re kinda losing that freshness on your pictures they used to have... imho... sorry

ok my 20 minutes


oh and where can i get that word file of sargents notes???!
thanx
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2001 3:56 am     Reply with quote
This could have turned out so much better.. (photo reference used)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2001 4:18 am     Reply with quote


Man, that's tough. The roll was kinda more orange ...more brownish... now you can't even recognize it anymore.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2001 4:20 am     Reply with quote
m703-324: www.goodbrush.com -> painting lessons
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2001 1:52 pm     Reply with quote
Everytime I read those saragent notes, I learn something new

I'm waiting to get more gouache in the mail. I'm hoping that using real paint will discipline me more than photoshop paint. Photoshop makes it so easy to noodle areas to death.

I was trying to have control while painting these. Trying to look and examine before I put a stroke down, but I think I failed. It's hard to break the habbit of diving in and paint what you know. I think i'll do some more, but after every stroke, I'll put the pen down to ensure that I examine what I'm looking at before painting it. IT'S HARD!

I think there's so much to think about at once that It just falls apart on me. Perspective for example, I couldn't concentrate on it while thinking about everything else, that's pretty much why it's sooo messed up here.



(these ones are really bad so don't bother looking.)

[http://207.175.246.187:9999/images/quicks/quickgroup.jpg

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2001 5:58 am     Reply with quote
m703-324 , Could you expand on your comment about loosing freshness? I am interested...
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