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Joachim
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:03 pm     Reply with quote

well, I guess I'm the only one that is unsocial or stupid enough to hang around here this close to Christmas day, hehe. Well, I have friends and family, don't worry
Anyway, my girlfriend has left and I can sleep late tomorrow, then there's no exscuse for spending some time to paint, yummy. And, I was watching my very favorite movie (guess which one!) and thought I could use the TV as a reference, as spooge has done before. Really fun....and lotsa new ideas and challenges appeared, I think.
hope you like it and comment as you please.....



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:06 pm     Reply with quote
It's good, the brush strokes represents the lightings very well, kinda like the impressionists does. What medium is this?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:15 pm     Reply with quote
damn i think this is one of my favorites from you joachim, i have no clue what movie it is tho!

great work
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:17 pm     Reply with quote
Wow Joachim... that is awesome. What movie is that from?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:17 pm     Reply with quote
Very nice Joa. Did you find drawing from a TV frame to be a helpful experience? I like how you minimized the painting and not put work into the shades, painting the contrasted elements and main forms and hues.

I can't make out what the movie is... don't know it.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:29 pm     Reply with quote
Thats a great picture Joachim. Looks very spooge like. Lightning is very well done. Very dramatic.

(i think the movie is 12 monkeys, but not sure)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:50 pm     Reply with quote
Yeah thats 12 Monkeys, about 10 mins into the movie to be exact. Good work on the art.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2000 9:22 pm     Reply with quote
Huhm, I knew it wouldn't take long for people to see that. There's always someone who knows and recognise. thx for compliments, 12 monkeys is right


burnout, Thanks. If it was done totally without any reference or more or less from imagination, I would have taken that as a even bigger compliment


frost-my canadian broth'a, The reason why I found that to be a helpful experience.. Much because you get draw lightsettings and colors you often wouldn't think of, which are in many movies very good and dramatic...and like everything else, when you experience new things you bring it on to later work, things that makes the scene more interesting. Like when doing things form imagination only, I atleast tend to move into simpler lighting settings and less elements that makes it interessting. With this I felt I could make blocks that shaped the image, not everything is needed to be clear, but it still helps to build up the piece. Also, a great thing, there's so many movies and things on tv, so it's like an ocean of inspiration and ideas, and by looking harder, you can without even taking anything from what you see still addapt a lot of good ideas into your imaginative work...hehe, hope this sounds like a reasonable explanation ?!?...atleast I tried . Btw, aren't you going to draw something, you said you were -I miss a good ol frost drawing...and why the heck didn't you post your santa, that was really good (& funny) !


plop, thx. spooge like. I take that as a compliment, though I try to make things in my style. But, 12 monkeys kinda has a "spoogish" look to it, so I guess that must be the main reason

oh and, Ahcri, it was done in phshop.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2000 9:27 pm     Reply with quote
awsome work as usual joachim
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2000 9:46 pm     Reply with quote
Joachim, i didn't mean to say you are copying spooge, the picture looks nothing like his. What i was trying to say is that it carries the same feel of drama as his paintings do. Excuse my inability to communicate clearly.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2000 1:45 am     Reply with quote
This is spooge-like (which is probably like a whole genre of paintings!) but its still really good. Spooge seems to paint in a vary transparent fashion with little gradiation betweeen lights and darks and lights layered upon lights.

Thats pretty different from most oil paintings which tend to make smooth gradiations. Its more of a water color feel but more refined and darker. Anyway, its all good.

My only crit for this picture is maybe you should try to focus the attention on the prisoner more and less on the guards. In a movie things go by fast but you can make a painting more dramatic.

Also, this is a little off for this thread. But a question directed to Spooge. Does doing digital works for production ever cost money that could have been generated from the sale of a painting? Does that ever factor in to the equation? I'd guess that paintings for movies (esp like star wars) might be worth something.. but just guessing.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2000 2:01 am     Reply with quote
hey good work Joachim! cool idea aswell, might have a try at painting from movie stills/scenes too, seems like it'll be good for pratise..
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2000 2:10 am     Reply with quote
Man, you've done a great job of capturing the essence of the film, I recognised it straight away!

The strong, cold lighting and the drab colours really have the 12 Monkeys feel. Painting straight from a film seems to offer some really dramatic perspectives, but then again, with 12 Monkeys, that’s pretty much a given, I suppose.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2000 2:20 am     Reply with quote
Really nice pic.

Funny thing is, I thought it might've been Brazil, which is another Terry Gilliam movie.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2000 5:32 am     Reply with quote


thx for more comments and nice feedback

plop, don't worry, spooge is THE maestro, so I still took it as a compliment

light, I see what you mean. Though, I do feel that he is a bit more in focus than the rest, since he is the one that is litted up the most and were the light on the wall falls down on. But, I guess I could have made it even clearer.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2000 7:36 am     Reply with quote
Hey that's sweet! I can almost really tell that that's Willis out there.
I'm currently experimenting in this style as well, not with that level of detail tho, heehee.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2000 7:40 am     Reply with quote
They've got computers in the walls...[that]...process the impulses and....and..........tell em what they need.

Shhh.... dont think!



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2000 10:24 am     Reply with quote
Joa: I did post my santa in my "Frost's Thread-O-Crap(tm)" thingy... but I guess not many ppl saw it. =) That's ok. =)

As for a new painting, I will do one soon, but, I don't know when as I'll be busy for most of the holiday season... perhaps some time between xmas and new year's. =) You'll know when I do. =))

Merry xmas bro, and to Micke and Chester too. =)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2000 10:30 am     Reply with quote
Well done Joachim, look's like a great pic to me. no comment from me.

Mary Christmas!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2000 2:01 pm     Reply with quote
12 monkeys
beautiful movie.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2000 4:31 pm     Reply with quote
Hei på deg Joachim!!

SINNSYKT VELDIG BRA!! Very nice indeed... Well.. what can I say... Spooge quality... wrong.. you were talking about the maestro, and I sort of agree.... but I think you know that your work stand up on your own, that infact you are a true genius? Don't be so hard on yourseves, no one in this forum will blame you for being a bigshot bastard. Tey'll rather kill you for your talent I hope to post some quality work myselves this christmas. I hope I catch you at your office some day soon? As you maybe know, I'm trying to learn some 3D these days

aybe Micke U and I catch up on a x-mas beer?

I've had some serious amounts of beer tonight, that's for sure.. Sorry if I embarras anyone....

Keep up the good work!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2000 7:57 pm     Reply with quote
Joachim - do you think the style you've used with that painting requires a complete command painting and lighting (I mean, such taht you could create one equally well with a more close to photographic look) or do you think some of us budding artists could have a crack at that simple strokes style and have a decent product?

Btw, I like it and you've covered everything that goes through my head when I think of a possible criticism . . . Speaking of 12 Monkees though, ( I actually didn't recognized it but that's probably because I haven't seen it for some time - like since it was released) I always pair 12 Monkees and Seven in my head - probably because Pitt was in both. Also probably because they have a very 'artsy' feel, and it seems like the art director, set designers, and even the director of cinematography (or whatever that position is called) were given something they could really take and run with.

Now that I see a scene painted, it's almost as though those two films have a painting-like quality to the scenes . . . does anyone know what I mean? Anyway, maybe Seven might have some good scenes for 'practicing' . . . also.

-mt

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2000 8:46 pm     Reply with quote
Beautiful work!! You've really gotten the shapes and light down just wonderfully.

Nice Xmas treat!

Kenzo
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 12:26 am     Reply with quote
that's a cool perspective you've chosen; this is one of these pics were you instantly have a whole story in your mind - it's crazy but some pics work like this

Oh Frost - I am sure some people saw your Santa, although the thread went in a wrong direction by being victim of a sabotage post :/...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 3:17 am     Reply with quote
a great pic from a great movie!
is all that i see only brushstrokes or is there a spoogeistic "noise" layer over the image?

janne
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 7:37 am     Reply with quote


kjetil, yup, vårt nyttår forsett må være å drikke sammen oftere. Eller, vi har jo aldri drukket sammen, så dette må være vårt store mål for 2001 -Kom innom jobben vår så ofte du føler for det.

starseed, I'm sorry, english isn't my 1st language so I had a bit of problems understanding everything from your question . But, how I worked it out, was laying the basic colors and sketching the image up by first putting sihouetted basic shapes, and then adding colors and little details. There's so many ways to work out an image from the beginning, either line art, colors, or the overall shapes (as I did here). And, sure it's good for everyone to try executing an image in different ways, as just being locked in to one way to start can make things more difficult at times.
I agree that seven and 12 monkeys have a very "artistic" look to them...I think alien 4, the crow, gladiator, save private ryan,city of lost children, and all the Tim Burton movies has a really inspiring kind of "painting-like" look. Many others as well. Atleast, there's a lot of inspiring movies when it comes to painting, I feel.

janne, hehe, yes, theres a very subtle texture laying on top, on the wall. Correcto!

and the rest, thx for all the kind words


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2000 5:48 pm     Reply with quote
Joachim, thanks for the info, thats exactly what I wanted to know. Also, thanks for taking the movie "painting-look" a step further. I recognize it too, and I think that look makes films strike me far more than their counterparts that don't have it. It's like a continuity where the art director has defined-in strict terms-in his head just what the look and feel and tone of the movie is going to be. They he/she takes that and upholds it throughout the movie . . . hmm, come to think of it, isn't that probably one of the main jobs of the artistic director? It's a pity it's done superbly seldomly. The visual must not be as important to the masses as it is to those that appreciate what goes in to making a good film, or any good art for that matter.

Yes, Tim Burton's stuff for sure, but I would almost classify his as a statement in itself with the "artistic" look. But all of the rest you named (other than lost city of children, which I havne't seen) I can easily group together as very similar in that regard. Gladiator . . . for me, everything came together in that film. Great actors, great time period, great action sequences, great "artistic" look and consistency, great pace - am I the only one who thinks it is the best film of the year, hands down? Probably . . . but have any of you guys been watching Crowe and Nielsen the past few years? I have and it was great to see them together in what will probably be both of their biggest films yet.

This board needs a third section dedicated to film

-mt

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