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Jason Manley
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2001 9:15 pm     Reply with quote
http://www.3dpalette.org/features/manley2/

Many of you have seen this Image but I put up some process work and a hastily written essay for those of you who are interested in painting.

There are some good links provided as well to some art sites and to some paintings that you should see if you have not already.

Ill be posting a new painting soon. I cant post any that arent released yet and there will be a new one out this next week...a poster for Heart of Winter.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2001 9:40 pm     Reply with quote
Great tut.. i really like your art..... good luck with your painting
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2001 9:41 pm     Reply with quote
coolies...thanx dood
cheers..
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2001 10:40 pm     Reply with quote
Great tutorial, Jason. A lot of nice info to think over for when I'm working on my current stuff (character portraits, infact). Good job on the art links and the explanations of why we were looking at those works, too...never had the priviledge of a formal education so info like this is excellent to know until I can get to some classes that deal with this. Thanks for taking the time to put this together.

-Flinthawk
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Jason Manley
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2001 11:15 pm     Reply with quote
thanks...you are absolutely welcome.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2001 11:21 pm     Reply with quote
See...Jason...I told you by writing a tutorial the people would come to embrace and love you as one of their own...

Like, i said before, its good stuff. very helpful...especially as I only get 2 hours of traditional art education a week, and the last few weeks have been on the artists that you have been mentioning such as Velasquez, Monet, Vermeer etc. It's extremely interesting. Here's a toast to you!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2001 11:32 pm     Reply with quote
Very nice painting.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2001 11:48 pm     Reply with quote
Hi Jason

Thanks for the tutorial, it's good stuff!!!

Could you make a short explanation of what tools you use in Painter, for the different stages of the Painting such as blocking in shapes and detailing...
Did you use a soft airbrush for blocking in shapes and the background in the tutorial?

THANK YOU!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 12:49 am     Reply with quote
Hey Jason

That was very helpfull. I think I feel another attempt at doing something in painter coming on. (I don't know if I want to laugh or cry...hehe)

Much appreciated.

btw- have you considered recording a script in painter and making a movie out of it. When spooge did this that one time I found it to be immensly helpfull. just a thought.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 4:07 am     Reply with quote
good to see you post again, and with such an awesome tutorial. you had a lot in there that i never thought about when doing an image, i can't wait to try it out now

thanks,
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 5:06 am     Reply with quote
Who daman? You da man, Manley.

Kudos, you be great man.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 6:47 am     Reply with quote
Jason: I like the image a lot, but I almost prefer the subtlety and softness in the first step (value-wise) - I guess it's jut a matter of personal preference. Nice tutorial, thanks for sharing that with us and taking the time to write it all out.

[This message has been edited by Frost (edited January 10, 2001).]
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 6:53 am     Reply with quote
Thanks for the great tutorial/article Jason... And thanks to immi for giving it a home.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:53 am     Reply with quote
Great stuff, Jason! I'll read through all of it soon.
-Mikael
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 10:21 am     Reply with quote
Wow, great Jason!
Like the way you paint...you really now what you are doing. The stuff with Rembrant and chosing the mood is really good to know!
I like all off it, many thing that will help me build my skills! thx!

my pics look like the second step, =) blurry and unfinished. Have to put some more power on my paintings, like you do.


Couldn´t find in which prog. it was made in?
or is it me? who cant see?
And when you talking about pallets, are you always making youre own, or is there pallets which you can chose from a list?


Thx!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 10:21 am     Reply with quote
Thanks for the great info, Jason. Very informative. Do you live and/or work in Irvine? I'm at Jamboree and the 405...

Anyway, thanks again!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 10:59 am     Reply with quote
Thanks for the compliments.

I will be doing one of these for you all every couple weeks. If there are any topics you would be interested in hearing...let me know.

As far as what tools...I start with a watercolor wash. I dry it so that my canvas has a nice tone. Then I use digital airbrush, water color, brushy, and chalk tools with my paper textures. That is about it...I dont always use them at the same time in the painting. I just try to use them when I feel I need them. I mostly use the digital airbrush, brushy, and the watercolor tool.

Im over near Von Karman and Barranca in Irvine.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 11:18 am     Reply with quote
whoa! absolutely fantastic stuff there. thanks a lot! please keep doing these.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:19 pm     Reply with quote
Love your work jason ..thanks for taking the time to do a tutorial!!! It was very helpful as you are an amazing painter!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:39 pm     Reply with quote
I don t have the time to read all tonight but it seem to be a very good tutorial Jason.

I only found that the image is very too too dark and detail are very hard to see.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:49 pm     Reply with quote
I said it once, and I'll say it again...

Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto...

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[This message has been edited by your mutha (edited April 15, 197-deuce).]

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:04 am     Reply with quote
Duh, Interplay. Sorry, stupid question...

Look forward to more of your great work

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2001 4:49 am     Reply with quote
Jason, if you are taking requests, i would suggest one of the brighter portraits, maybe that blond female half-elven cleric. just so we could see some variety. also, i would be interested in seeing how you go about the area concept drawings/maps, again to show some variety in your technique.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2001 10:54 am     Reply with quote
Jason,
I've been admiring that image ever since you posted it. It's great to see the steps. Thanks for taking the time.

Have you got anymore stuff from this series?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2001 10:42 pm     Reply with quote
Really excellent tutorial Jason. Just wondering what pixel dimensions your original was compared to the tutorial sizes you posted. Might help some of us to get a feel for the time involved, as well. TIA

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2001 11:25 pm     Reply with quote
I think the original size is approximately 1200x2000 pixels.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2001 11:22 am     Reply with quote
Hi

I usually start my pieces about 220x330 to block it in and then just scale it up as I get ready to detail it...I usually scale it up two or three times as the stages progress toward the final.

I do this because it is much faster to block in a smaller format than a larger one. The brushes in Painter dont chug at that size and I can let it flow. When I need to get into the details more...I simply bump it up a bunch and work some more. I usually dont scale it all the way up til the final details are ready to be done as well as the clean up. At this point I am just using small brushes and the large format doesnt affect them in terms of performance.


jason

I did...when working traditionally...make small color studies and thumbnails for similar reasons...it is purely faster to lay in all the large shapes and get the feel of the piece when it is small.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:36 pm     Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:52 pm     Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:25 pm     Reply with quote
Thanks Jason. I'm usually up around 3000 - 5000 pixels by the time I finish. Just checking. Most of my work is architectural or theme work, so there's often a lot of detail that is requested, which is why I get up there. I wish I could always start small, but often I need to work from scanned perspective drawings with a lot of picky details, so I'm starting with 2000 - 3000 pixels across.

I like your solution to chugging brushes, but I don't seem to have much problem there. I've built a lot of custom brush variants and tend to stay with those. Bigger watercolor brushes still lag - so I'll use the resample technique when I can.

Q

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