[nil900]

This is the picture I'm currently working on. I was inspired by some of the recent mech pictures. It's not finished: I'll change the gun and the hand of the guy in the foreground and the complet second one. In the background I'll probably add one or two more of these warriors.
I want to know what you think about the lightning and the atmosphere before I'll finish it this weekend. I want this picture to look as realistic as possible.

[Freddio]

I was expecting the Wizard of oz

[Freddio]

oh yeas I like the pic..

try and really define those shades...

hmm someone Like Spooge or fred calls it licking..

[Freddio]

yes that would really improve your pic.. Just up the saturation and contrast and define and you'll have a winner worthy of the great masters

[nil900]

Thank you Freddio for your reply. I'm sorry for the name. I named the picture tinman cause my little brother calls himself tinman when he's playing cs or quake in the net. This pic will be a little present (maybe for his desktop).
What does this mean:

someone Like Spooge or fred calls it licking..

Sorry I just don't understand that sentence.

I thought about the contrast a long time. I don't really know how to make the "amor" of the guy in the front looking more realistic. Does it need stronger shadows? I don't know.

[Bradford]

the armor looks a bit soft. try smoothing it out a little more, make reflections on it too if you think that helps. for the lighting aspect, try making the soldier in the background a little darker as well as the area around him.

hope this helps.

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[Freddio]

OK did a paint over. I hope this helps..

I just played around with the lighting fixed a few other things made it a bit sharper I used the black paintbrush alot to get the contrast..

when I say licking .. well see on your walls for example they seem sort of fluffy and weak.. but mine in the paintover are stronger and defined..

anyway someone else might wanna do a better paintover..




[This message has been edited by Freddio (edited January 27, 2001).]

[Gecko]

I don't know about realism, but your (nil9000) pic has very washed out and very monochromatic colors, almost like a black&white picture. That adds to the war-torn city feeling, but I'd still like to see some more saturated parts on the pic. That, or more contrast to make it more interesting to look: right now your brights are mid and light values, not even the gun fire (that's gun fire, right?) goes blown-out white/really bright yellow.

Another thing that bothers me a lot is the serious lack of sharp corners. Everything is a little rounded and antialiased, losing feeling of material (metal armor, fractured cement walls).

Overall lightning makes sense, though it's hard to make out what background consists of, some kind of demolished building the guys are walking through. Now I'm assuming the gun is going off in the pic: it doesn't seem to reflect much light in the surrounding environment. I painted my pic over Freddio's so that's definitely looking odd in his pic, especially after darkening the pic into a night setting. Freddio's color choices also bring Quake2 light effects in mind, making it look a lot more like a game, not necessary more realistic though.

Also, i like the left arm a lot.
Here's what I did, concentrating on the local lighting around the guy + adding sharps.



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[Freddio]

hey you stole my pic heh

cool paintover Gecko

[This message has been edited by Freddio (edited January 27, 2001).]

[Dryfire]

hehehe, good job to all, i thikn all of them kick ass!

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[nil900]

Hallo again! Sorry for answering that late but I don't have an Internet connection at home jet. So I took a look at the forum at the computer of a friend of mine and I read your replies but I wasn't able to answer because I didn't now my password. Now I'm at work and able to post again.

Thank you very much for having replied and especially for taking time to do a paintover.
Freddio and Gecko. I took your paintovers home on Saturday (from my friend) and used them when I worked on the picture on sunday.

All of you are probably right about the colours. The colours really look kind of washed out. I tried to fix that but it didn't really work by now. I'll add some more colour in the next days.

The picture was and still is blurry in most areas. I'll put harder edges in the picture when I am done with the colours and lightning.

The only point I partly disagree is the darknes of the pictures. I didn't think of a night szene and so I don't think that there should be that much black in the picture but I'm not sure.
While working on this pic I noticed that I have serious problems with lightning and colours. I've got to learn a lot.

Thank you for your help.



I didn't have much time to draw last weekend. The pic didn'T change that much.

And I'm not very happy with it.


[This message has been edited by nil900 (edited January 29, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by nil900 (edited January 29, 2001).]

[Freddio]

looks better

[spooge demon]

I think the gesture needs to loosen up a little. Also, the down angle begs to have a third vanishing point.

The eyes form more of a slit when grimacing. Yours look like either makeup or a very strange expression. The corners of the mouth pull up and back. Where's Fred when you need him?

Get a mirror and keep it handy. very useful to, as Frazetta said, "check things out."

You can hold back your lightest light until you need it. In mine the back leg has a lot less light on it, making it go back. Yours have the same intesity to them.

[Freddio]

aaargh im blinded !!!

nice one spooge

[Spiritual_Chaos]

hehe....The Tinman pic is one of my favourites riht now and I love to see all the versions....hmm..I have to point out that Im a neB so thats why this pic. aint super great..but..

[Spiritual_Chaos]

lol..sorry heres the pic.

[Spiritual_Chaos]

WORK FOR GOD DAMN

[Spiritual_Chaos]

IM BEGGING U TO WORKKKKKKKKK

[nil900]

spooge and Spiritual_Chaos I'll answer later because I'm really busy right now. Spiritual_Chaos: the link works for me!

[Spiritual_Chaos]

hehe..the picture before was a bit blurry - hmm..that happednd when i made the pic. smaller - what size shouls the pics be in ?

oh..here is on mote from the NeB...hmmm..tryes to do a nice sky with clouds but...i didnt have the streangh

[Spiritual_Chaos]

FCUK FUCK - fucking geocities..fucking me...I WANT MY PICS TO SHOWWWW




pleace..work this time

[Spiritual_Chaos]

hmm...by the way
Isa the fellow in the background dead ? I thaught so...

[nil900]

Thank you for your paintovers Spiritual_Chaos and Spooge.
Spooge: All the points you mentioned are probably right. Wait I'll go to the bathroom to look into the mirror... ...back again! You are right I should redo the facial expression. The hole guy in the front looks really artificial. I should change the pose but if I do that I should redo the hole pic and that would be boring for me.

The light: I was thinking of two light sources. the daylight is one and the gunfire is the second (there is a fire in the background which is the third but that one is not important.)
I did the light on left leg in the same level as the right one because of the daylight... that was probably wrong somehow but I didn't really know how to correct it. I just begun to learn about colour and light so please don't laugh.
If I take a look at your paintover I know that the light is much better then mine but if I try to paint my pic with your lightsetting I won't get it. But I'll try to fix the light a little this or next evening.

Spiritual_Chaos: Its really great to see all these versions of one pic- there might be a lot to learn on this page (at least for me).
I'll try to post further steps in this post to see if I get better.
No the guy in the back should not be dead but it's my fault if you thaught he was dead cause I did't draw him good enough!

Anybody else feel free to help me and to post your quick version with different light or whatever settings.

Thank you.

[Spiritual_Chaos]

hmmm....I always thaught that the super-cool dude was a cyborg...=) hehe..

post ur updates..because I love tinman

[Cougar]

Spooge, the next time you post something like that, warn us to wear welding glasses