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Are George W. Bush's policies...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:16 am     Reply with quote
Just curious about what people are thinking.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:28 am     Reply with quote
The question is much too easy dude...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:03 pm     Reply with quote
I haven't noticed any of the "bad" he's done.

Why? Well, I can still go to the store and buy soda. I get can nachos whenever I want. Pizza Parlors still deliver. Cars still operate. My computer still goes online. I can still make music. My back feels great. Girls hug me. Porn still exists. Nectarines are godly. Steak is cheap. I can give dollars to the homless and they appreciate it. My parents are alive. My friends are good. The house I'm in has a roof. I just ate a bag of mini-oreos.

I can walk to school and I only have to take music courses. I own a grand piano. my headphones rule. Our cat is fuzzy.

I don't see anything wrong. Hasn't affected me at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:14 pm     Reply with quote
Jamez is right.

Despite all of the suddenly enlightened social activists moaning about civil rights and imperialistic oil crusadws over the past two years, Bush's presidency has been politics as usual.

Sure, the executive cabinet is composed of the closest thing to a monarchy that America has seen since the 1700's, and two overseas wars in four years with less than desirable results are hardly worth bragging about, but what do you expect?

In fact, I put the challenge out to anyone to name a president who didn't trample the constitution, wage war without cause or ignore pressing domestic issues.

Bush isn't a bad president; he's a good politician.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:26 pm     Reply with quote
Y'all is wack. Bush sux0rz.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:17 am     Reply with quote
hey, thats not patriotic! shame on you, you you... anti-american!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:00 pm     Reply with quote
I think that all countries are good and bad. For the simple fact that people make up the countries, and as you know there are good and bad people everywhere.
Being patriotic is like being religious, in my opinion. Shouting, standing up, disrespecting, and wasting energy in other ways for something that doesn't matter, or doesn't exist. Smile

SHOUT AT ME BABY.

PS: i'm not really serous, cause it doesn't matter.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 3:29 pm     Reply with quote
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In fact, I put the challenge out to anyone to name a president who didn't trample the constitution, wage war without cause or ignore pressing domestic issues.

I guess having the World Trade Center buildings being destroyed with a few thousand civillians of many nations, though mostly U.S. isnt enough for you to go to war. Hell, for you WWII shouldnt have even been fought then huh?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 6:47 pm     Reply with quote
^^^ typical misguided american. No offence Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:53 am     Reply with quote
The americans killed much more thousand civillians in afghanistan, iraq etc than terrorists killed on 9-11.
You should read Michael Moore's Books - I agree with his opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:49 am     Reply with quote
word...moore is right ,but bush is typical capitalist leader,figurehead of the rich ruling elite,its not like a democrat would be any different
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:29 pm     Reply with quote
Nah, Moore's a blowhard. Half of the stuff in his books, although well-researched, is pathologically left field. You know, cry your heart out for the poor, retarded and black. Try reading Al Franken.

You see, that's why the Republicans still have sway over half of America. The most vocal activist for liberal America is a fat, unshaven Queer Eye for the Straight Guy dream project. Republicans have Ann Coulter (she's awfully cute). They're so damned professional on the right.

But, anyways, about the war stuff.

Spuds wrote:
I guess having the World Trade Center buildings being destroyed with a few thousand civillians of many nations, though mostly U.S. isnt enough for you to go to war. Hell, for you WWII shouldnt have even been fought then huh?


Nah, I don't have a problem attacking a group that attacked us without military provocation (ignore all of our economic policy blah blah blah shit. no one understands that, so don't even pretend). I was all for going to war in Afghanistan to try and dismantle a working regime of carbombers and hijackers. I'll get to that in a second.

I was specifically talking about going to war in Iraq. All the information used for grounds to going to war in Iraq was wrong, due to shitty interagency communication and a slathering of Teddy Roosevelt bravado. We rushed in, caught an aging dictator, and left a nation nearly in ruins.

And it's the same thing in Afghanistan, except you never hear about it anymore. Go ahead and do the research: we've achieved nearly the polar opposite of all of our goals there. We haven't caught Osama bin Laden. The Taliban are still in power, though not officially. Opium production has quardrupled since 9112001. Women are still oppressed, the infrastructure of the nation has buckled, and Al-Qaeda is still launching terrorist attacks (the most recent one was.. two days ago?).

More disturbing than all of this, however, is this rash Anti-Americanism I see around the world. Comments like Neff's only further illustrate the point. Judging who is the worse country simply by body count only leads to global destruction. Think about it. An eye for an eye leaves both men blind. Criticism from European countries about marauding US policy is even funnier. After all, it was only 60 years ago that interventionist policies in Europe ended up killing 100 million people, right? Right.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 4:08 pm     Reply with quote
You have to remember, were letting the opium grow Wink Thats basically Afghanistans economy until we leave them with something. Yes, Iraq was based on basically bullshit to go take him out. Not that I disagree with it.

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The americans killed much more thousand civillians in afghanistan, iraq etc than terrorists killed on 9-11.
You should read Michael Moore's Books - I agree with his opinion.


And thats all it is. An opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 7:12 pm     Reply with quote
Y'all is wack once again. In America, an average Joe will always believe in what he sees on TV. And whoever controls TV, controls what the average people believe in. I remember clearly how i was sitting in cafeteria soon after 9/11 and most people were so angry! lol. My boss was all mad and almost yelled at me for disagreeing. He said something like "We gonna bomb all those turban heads!! We gonna kill everyone who's against us!" and i was like "who are you gonna bomb?" and he recited basically President's speech that was on TV a few minutes ago.

Now.. i sit in cafeteria, and notice how G.Bush comes on TV with his speech. It was funny to see some people moan and groan "yeah.. what is he gonna lie about this time?" hilareous.

Actually i am wrong. My main philosophy is that there are no countries, but there are people. And so, i'm sure at this time most countries act the same. Whoever controls news, controls people's minds. Wait.. this was like this at ALL times! haha.

life is like universe.. you'll keep trying to understand it, but never will.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:25 am     Reply with quote
I'm not going to claim to know much about the issues and stuff, but I do have a good reason to dislike Bush. I read something that quoted him saying something along the lines of "I don't think Athiests should really be considered citizens of the United States." He claimed that since we are a "nation under God", one must be religious to be considered American. I think that's bull- being an Athiest myself. I'm offended, and I think I should be able to live here with citizenship without critisism- especially since we're in the age of being so politically correct and accepting of each other's differences.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:54 am     Reply with quote
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I read something that quoted him saying something along the lines of "I don't think Athiests should really be considered citizens of the United States."


So what. I don't think that religious people should really be considered people. Nya nya nya! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:55 pm     Reply with quote
Catholicism gives me diarrhea.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:34 pm     Reply with quote
Glad to see that people agree with me. The first rule of religion is no preaching allowed. Sorta like Fight Club- Don't talk about religion...and so forth.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:35 am     Reply with quote
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The americans killed much more thousand civillians in afghanistan, iraq etc than terrorists killed on 9-11.
You should read Michael Moore's Books - I agree with his opinion.


First of all if you make the claim, then show us the proof; please make sure your source material is from an unbiased outlet for gathering data and presenting claims.

As for Michael Moore, he is an absolute liar; he has been proven to fabricate his material to present a view that is aligned with his thinking.

Dude, Where's My Intellestual Honesty

I give George Bush credit for paying close attention to national security, but his talk on God and homosexuality is contrary to my belief. His alignment to religion is scary.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:49 am     Reply with quote
yeah, nice. theres a own homepage for the bodycount:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Beside this, the most german news talking about ~4700 civilians deaths.
And yes, these are definitly more than 3000.

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I give George Bush credit for paying close attention to national security


Uhrm, yes.. Hitler even pays close attention to national security... O_o
Bush should worry about his economics and not about some imaginary mass-destruction-weapons Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:18 am     Reply with quote
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yeah, nice. theres a own homepage for the bodycount:

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Beside this, the most german news talking about ~4700 civilians deaths.
And yes, these are definitly more than 3000.

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I give George Bush credit for paying close attention to national security


Uhrm, yes.. Hitler even pays close attention to national security... O_o
Bush should worry about his economics and not about some imaginary mass-destruction-weapons


Neff:

You're obvioulsy not reading my post; find me numbers that are substantiated without bias. Iraqibodycount.com has been disputed as biased, and there is debate as to tehir credibility. That's one strike against you.

Your second strike is your reliance on German news shows; they definitely do not count. For the matter neither does American or English or any other; they're TV news shows and favorable towards political agendas.

You're going to have work harder, if you want to follow the constructs of logical argument.

Oh and one more thing; that comparison to Hitler is so laughable. Absurd. I don't recal Poland or France flying any airplanes into German buildings. Can't you do any better than that? Let's not forget that the liberal Clinton administration and cabinet made prepatory plans for an Iraqi invasion--an invasion as a result of Iraq's failure to comply with UN Resolutions for the last 12 years (that's "United Nations" Resolutions--not American). And David Kay and members of the UN's executive level of WMD inspectors maintained that Iraq did have WMDs and di pose a threat to the region.

Oh--that's three strikes--but I'll let ya keep swingin'.

Try again.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:36 am     Reply with quote
Oh and one more thing, Neff:

Have you seen the website www.howmanyiraqisdidsaddamtorturemainandkill.com?

Apparently it's not live yet.

What about the one dedicated to the Kurds that were gassed?

And the one about the Iraqi civilians being killed by Iraqi and outside Arab insurgents?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:56 am     Reply with quote
yeah, saddam was evil, but that doesn't make it ok to attack iraq without un's support, to suddely get the idea to attack because they aren't following a 12 year old resoultion isn't good enough

and i really don't think neff compared bush with hitler he just said that allmost every leader cares about national security, including hitler and maybe also saddam

and bush should check his sources to Wink

and why attack iraq, if you want to destroy a threat to the world peace when you can attack north korea for example

and you might not want too trust any of what I said because it's based on a combination between swedish news and bbc Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:05 pm     Reply with quote
thx bjotto, i think my english was too bad too express it in those clear words...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:39 pm     Reply with quote
didn't like...

Russia(read: Shizo with a Roland 808 :P) a while ago try taking over the planet(same thing we do every night, pinskykov)...and like, they were attacking afganistan or some crap like that...and the USA sent afganistan some stinger missiles and crap to defend themselves with...and uhh...like...stopped the soviets from taking over that little piece of land...and uhh...like that's where osama bin laden is from...and then they attacked the USA...and now the USA is like, "you know what, fuck this you ungrateful bastards." and is kicking the entire countries ass because they just seem to suck over there?

something like that? probably mixed up a bit and backwards, but just what I remember.

If I were president I wouldn't have bothered sending soilders over there, I would have just told everyone surrounding that area to duck-n-cover, then nuke the offending location.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 3:48 pm     Reply with quote
Just so you know, read these carefully:

UN Resolution 678
UN Resolution 687
UN Resolution 1441

Resolution 687, passed in 1991, is the centerpiece here. This is the resolution passed after the United States had liberated Kuwait and while our troops were poised to advance to Baghdad to take care of business with Saddam. Saddam agreed to a plan whereby he would surrender or destroy all weapons of mass destruction, and all implements, machinery and whatnot associated with those weapons programs, forthwith. Saddam's first obligation under Resolution 687 was to provide the UN with a "declaration on the locations, amounts and types of all (WMDs) and agree to urgent, on-site inspection(s)" as specified in the resolution.

Saddam's deadline under 687 was fifteen days. He didn't make it. In fact, in 2002 ... about 4000 days past his 15-day deadline, the United Nations Security Council passed Resolution 1441 putting Saddam on super-secret probation and giving him one last chance to do what he was supposed to do eleven years earlier.

Wait! I forgot Resolution 678! Forgive me! Resolution 678, you see, is specifically incorporated into both Resolutions 687 and 1441 by reference. Resolution 678 was passed in 1990, after Saddam invaded Kuwait. This resolution told Saddam to get the hell out, and authorized "Member States co-operating with the Government of Kuwait ... to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area." (Resolution 660 merely demanded that Iraq withdraw from Kuwait. Iraq didn't. George H.W. Bush made him.) So you can see that under Resolution 678 the United States, a Member State of the United Nations, has the authority under that resolution, and under 687 and 1441 to kick Saddam to the curb.

Thus endeth all claims that the United States violated international law by invading Iraq. We weren't violating international law, we were enforcing it.

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and i really don't think neff compared bush with hitler he just said that allmost every leader cares about national security, including hitler and maybe also saddam

Then don't make that comparison, then. To imply, and it was an implication, that America will ever fall into the shortsighted murderous (millions dead...maybe you can start a website - wwww.jewishandalliedpowbodycount.com) state of being that Germany was in the 1930s and 40s is insulting.
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CIA? British intelligence? Don't forget the UNITED NATIONS. Germany, while in the United Nations, even stated that there was a WMD program in Iraq.
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and why attack iraq, if you want to destroy a threat to the world peace when you can attack north korea for example

We're working on it. Wink
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First of all, i'm not "Shizo with Roland 808." I am "Shizo with Vostok" :0

And second of all.. y'all is still wack as hell!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:34 pm     Reply with quote
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First of all, i'm not "Shizo with Roland 808." I am "Shizo with Vostok" :0

dayamn...that is so fresh. Word.
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And second of all.. y'all is still wack as hell!

I'm down baby, but we love you Shiz!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:37 am     Reply with quote
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In fact, I put the challenge out to anyone to name a president who didn't trample the constitution, wage war without cause or ignore pressing domestic issues.


William Henry Harrison

died one month after his presidential speech Razz
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