[ddawghurl]

this is a pic of Kelly Slater that i painted over in photoshop and then added a backround and some text. it's more of a sig. so, how do you like it?


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[cheney]

This wrong, and don't take this the wrong way.

First the image is too small for critism. I like details more than merely subject matter because I am weird. This has no details, because it is too small.

Secondly the image is rather simplistic. I used to post at webdesign forums where people would generate up to 10 filter on content over a canvas and I would wonder why. We would call such filter-festing. If your art takes you less than 1 hour to create what is merely a concept then you should reexamine whether or not it is really art or a quick test. This is espically true when starting out. Sorry, but this is a painterly filter-fest.

Since this image is rather simplistic you might be better off practicing on your own until you feel more comfortable using the tools, features, modes, filters, and so on of the program. Sketch. Practice sketching on your wacom or with the mouse until you feel more comfortable. Once you begin to feel more comfortable with the basic begin challenging yourself with new concepts. You need alot more time to yourself before you start posting art.

Look at art. Look at a wide variety of art all over the internet. Find inspiration that draws you into a style. The more unique and diverse the inspiration and more unique your art will be. Look around and stay informed. This is a proactive measure on your art.

Read discussions engaging technique and theory. Many of these may be over your head starting out, but they will offer you alot. Techniques will greatly expand your abilities by lowering your limits. Knowing how things are done and why is philosophy and philosophy of art is often something best learned through experience.

This is the wrong forum for this post. Try post this is in the works in progress forum. This is merely a discussion forum.
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[ddawghurl]

ok, thanks for the feed back. i will try harder next time. it was my second time using photoshop. but i am a pretty good artist. i just have to get the hang of using photoshop. so thanks for the criticism and i'll wait till i get better before i post for all of you expert artists and what not.
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[Anthony]

Welcome to the forum kid ;]
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[neff]

K i l l t h a t l e n s f l a r e ! ! !
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[Matthew]

cheney, pretty funny this cause at first u say that this picture is too small to critisize and then the other second u have this big conversation about filters and that the picture above not containing enough detail. If the picture is too small to criticize how can u see a filter fest in there? I only see the lensflare being a filter.

Anyway, I wish there could be some guidelines to give critisicm cause I never see anyone critique about color and composition.

well what do I know
Matthew

ddawghurl, if you want the thread to be moved to the gallery finished just pm one of the moderators and they will fix it for u.
keep it up.

[cheney]

You are entirely correct Matthew. The problem with the stereotype 'filterfest' is that I probably not define it well enough. From a design perspective, where filters are used much more than painting, filter-festing most often refers to a quick abstract use of tools without pursuit of planning, composition, or finality. From a painterly perspective I would think the term would refer to the same even if filters are hardly used.

I find nothing wrong with experimentation, but this should take time to properly conduct an experiment where possibilities are properly analyzed. A random spawning of effects may make for good self practice, but I would not refer to such activities as art. Even Pollack had a plan when he went to work, and then he often took long breaks to critique his progress before continuing.



I cannot stand small images. I like to work large. Most artists who I believe to be more skilled than me always tend to work large as well. Why should I have to struggle to find details and determine quality of a work by looking at a thumbnail. Would you look at a painting from across a gallery and guess at its finer beauty? I find this no different.

Another concern with this problem is the absolution of finer details. I tend to exaggerate sharp edge definitions of objects and the complexity of textures in my art, because I feel this makes my art look more real. Realism is a standard by which art should be judged, but its only a minor standard among many other standards. A common audience who is ignorant to the creation and composition of technical art tends to pursue realism as a measurement of higher talent even when most artists feel this should not be. For realism to exist details must be pursued to the highest degree, and sometimes this pursuit exists even at the expense of subject matter and composition.

I like details. I pursue details often for the point of realism. It is much easier to view details in larger images. The larger the image the more details, or lack there of, become appearant.



You might only see the lens flare in this image, but do not be fooled. Most filters create effects not meant to be noticed directly. If this were true than most filters would not exist, and I would not rely on them even if they did. Once a person learns to use filters properly then simple fitlers, such as lens flare, become obsolete when such effects are so simply created in custom shapes, sizes, and colors to better fit the image and composition.
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[goldi]

Hmm... about filters and their usage...

Many times we see people using many filters and effects just because they have them. One way is using them because they are "fancy" and make painting or image look more "proffesional", the other way is to use them just to make people focus on effects and not the main composition and art.

I like to campare that kind of usage with the guitar players where they use effects (like distorsion) to hide other weak points of their playing and techniques. Those who are great on guitars or bass can make a splendid thing just with plain 6 string accoustic and you can see they are real masters of their instrument. They add their effects like distortion just to additionaly express and strenghten their artistic flow. Maybe you should try to do the same with digital art. Make a firm grounds in composition, drawing, colors and stuff, and maybe later add effect where needed to take painting on to a higher level. Painting and creativity itself should be the driving engine of the art, effects and details just additional tunings of that engine.

Same thing with fonts and types. Not putting them in just because you have big collection of them, but putting them in well thought out so they would work in support to everything else in the image.
Otherwise those effects, types and details could just help the whole image to collapse. One filter or type not used well can result in that 'filterfest' cheney mentioned, and can destroy what otherwise could be masterpiece.

But all that needs a lot, lot, lot of practice and study.
I hope you won't take that as a destructive critique, I'd just like to encourage you to take step by step further and deeper into the area of art.

I hope I didn't move too far away from the theme of this thread but I just expressed my humble opinion.