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analogheart
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:30 pm     Reply with quote
Hi,

I've been buying some of the Gnomon DVDs. I've played around with Photoshop a bit but really concentrating on learning to draw by hand first. I've been working through the Bob Kato DVDs which are excellent. I wanted to have a go at the characters he does on toned paper where he draws light in pencil and marks out shading with tria type grey markers, then back to darker pencil to fill in darks and then he uses a white pencil for hi-lighting. Now, I'm looking for some toned paper but all they seem to have is pastel paper that's toned at the shop and I have no idea how this holds marker and it's expensive. He doesn't say what he's using so I'm just wondering what kind of weight/type toned paper you think would be good for marker/pencil combination.

Many thanks
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Ranath
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:45 am     Reply with quote
when I use markers I just go with some copy paper or something. It bleeds a bit and if you apply tons of marker it can go through the paper. But it's cheap, just put a couple of sheets under so your table doesn't get ruined. I'm sure you can find some kind of cheap toned paper, copy paper weight should do. Especially if you're just practicing, you might end up using lots and lots of paper and paying 10 bucks for a sheet might get to you..
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Drew
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:33 am     Reply with quote
Don't waste your markers on paper that bleeds. Get marker paper, or something thick like bristol. Those papers keep the ink on top of the page very briefly before it dries, allowing you to mix colors, which is a good thing. Without mixing, you're basically painting by numbers.
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Ranath
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:08 am     Reply with quote
Drew wrote:
Don't waste your markers on paper that bleeds. Get marker paper, or something thick like bristol. Those papers keep the ink on top of the page very briefly before it dries, allowing you to mix colors, which is a good thing. Without mixing, you're basically painting by numbers.


I don't think it's necessary to mix colors if you're working on grey.. which I thought was the case here. To me it's just about cheaper vs. more expensive paper, I don't really see the difference.
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analogheart
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:30 am     Reply with quote
I have a Letraset bleedproof pad which I really recommend for use with markers but they don't do anything toned. I'm kinda looking for oatmeal color. I just ended up buying some card but that was crap. Pastel paper worked okay until I put pencil on it. I didn't really like the texture. Thanks for your help though. I'll keep lookin.
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notic
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:37 am     Reply with quote
i'm not sure you should be spending too much time on fancy stuff like toned paper and highlight pens if you're new to drawing.. it's complicated enough with everything else to think about!

but it's always good to experiment of course.
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