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Zor
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 2:25 am     Reply with quote
well here is the new work im dealing with..Its a weird story.. - I saw a great piccy of Segorner weaver (Ok however ya spell it) - in a mag (not that sort of mag), anyways, I started off doing that (alien scene), but then as always I drifted and umm it kindda led me to a warrier dude type of thing who has a despertly bad nose!!, poor bloke, I will fix that and all the other bugs, just thought I could get some feedback!

Laters

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 2:29 am     Reply with quote
Oh and as you can see, you can sort of tell its segorner weaver kindda - well if she was a man, then she or he or it would look like that ennit - umm im not saying that she should be a man or anything....(hope nobody here actully knows her coz she is a bit 'ard like with all those aliens n stuff)



hmm Ill stfu now.. "You go Girl"

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 2:35 am     Reply with quote
unless you really hate that nose and it's not what you wanted at all (there's a lot of variety in these things in the world) I'd say it's fine.
Rather good infact

Oh, I am a little worried about the apparent bulge on the jaw! looks like a cheek bone highlight that slid south

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 2:56 am     Reply with quote
I really see a bit of Sigourney Weaver in your pic.. the jawline and the lips look quite like her

Critique:

1) The Texture for the beard looks cool but on the head (eyebrow level) it looks weird.

2) there should be a small part of the ear showing under the hairline I think.. but could be wrong on that

3) The eyelens is a bit too flat I think.

4) the lower troath part has an odd color tone compared to the rest.

Else the pic isn't far from being photorealistic

Terrific good work zor.. How did you do the shading?



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 5:11 am     Reply with quote
Absolutely fantastic stuff Zor. Great job. I really luv the heair and the greaT textured skin du reckon you post a higher rez veriosn so I/we can see it better detail.

Great job fix the nose and pony tail and it will be perfect

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Zor
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 8:20 am     Reply with quote
here is a more refined version off....

still not complete as I have had a lot of hassle with the damm nose!!! there is always somet aint there



He is the Smiling man

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 8:31 am     Reply with quote
Very nice, I like the face texture a lot. The nose is fine, just add the same texture to it as you did to the rest of the face. And as Muzman mentionned about his cheek, it does look as if he's chewing bubble gum or something. Also the bottom lip on the second picture, looks as if it's facing the wrong direction.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 9:33 am     Reply with quote
hey Zor, here some errors i spot out.
I love the eye area.

Image selfexplanes it.


=)

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 10:19 am     Reply with quote
About the nose.. I'll try to explain what I mean in English even if it's not my main language.
Well.. you should move the end of the nostril (I hope it's called this way.. anyway I mean the flesh that's forming the hole in your nose) where it meets the flesh of the face a bit up. I don't know how to explain it in a better way.. email me if you want me to make an image of what I'm saying.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 10:36 am     Reply with quote
back for some more feedback =)
i see you wanted to know more on making a nose?
here a Easy setp i just made up.



Really do hope this will help


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 3:29 pm     Reply with quote
http://www.geocities.com/lemenayd/facewithchanges.jpg

Here is something I sketched up really quick. I am assuming this is a male character. Males tend to have more planes in their facial structure. This helps differentiate the sexes. Females, softer, more rounds, males, chiselled, more planes.
Also, the nose needs the septum drawn in. This is the plane that divides the nostrils. It comes down and attaches to the face lower than the wings of the nostrils.
The cheek has a highlight where it should actually be shaded. this is under the zygomatic arch, or the cheek bone. The cheek bone protrudes, and is normally the widest point of the face. Since it protrudes, it will naturally cause some difference in tonality.
Another thing to remember is the lower lip lips out just before it attaches to the chin(no pun intended).
When drawing the head in profile, the entire shape of it should fit nicely into a square, unless you are working with character types.
And I also drwe blue angles to show the profile drop off of the facial features, and how they are normally parallel with one another. The corner of the mouth falls behind the nose, the lower lip falls behind the upper lip, falls behind the tip of the nose, etc.
Hope this all helps out, and good luck with the final piece.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 3:50 pm     Reply with quote
wow... and u are.. a Doctor

I rekon ya made most of those words up.. hehe
Yeah, I see your point totaly, although I still have to give the face definition. its to flat atm, and look slike a hybrid either sex... so hopefull I'll have a new post soon

cheers

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 5:18 pm     Reply with quote
Wow, I'm really amazed at the ammount of help you people are dishing out here. Good stuff, all around. And Zor, the image is coming along nicely, post the next version when you have it done

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 11:06 pm     Reply with quote
hehe wow, i like that dark feel to it.. kindda reminds me of the lead charector in "BLOOD2 the chosen one" kinda rocks

Although u used the oler one of the pics. but that nose tutorial was great!.

thanks as always

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2000 11:43 pm     Reply with quote
Here is my lame attemt to help

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2000 1:28 am     Reply with quote
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