[Boeman]

Long time players of Origin's (now a subsidiary of EA) previous games may remember the company's second largest franchise, Wing Commander; arguably the most entertaining space-combat simulator ever made. It has since been buried under a mountain of administrative neglect and defamation.

For those of you who would like to see a renewed interest by EA/Origin in the Wing Commander line, please visit the Wing Commander Advocacy website and fill in the accompanying form which follows after a brief fictional plot.

All forms are submitted to EA's marketing department.

Wing Commander Advocacy

Other members of this message board who are not familiar with Wing Commander may freely disregard the above.

[This message has been edited by Boeman (edited February 01, 2001).]

[Ben Barker]

Oh come on. Wing Commander wasn't neglected. It was milked until the tit was dry. Don't tell me you want to see a Wing Commander 5, or 6, or whatever the hell they got up to.

One was a classic. Two was good. Three and the rest just got worse and worse.

[Wyatt Turner]

I liked the first one and Privateer. They were fun and different. They must spend more money on a better movie. One that you can follow, and Has them bad ass furry cats in it. Must be Furry. Also requires a good story.

well I don't play games to much anymore. I want some good computer action on the big screen damn it.

Ever read Man-kazin Wars. I liked them. Furry Tiger people are cool.

y@

[Boeman]

quote:

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Originally posted by Ben Barker:
Oh come on. Wing Commander wasn't neglected. It was milked until the tit was dry. Don't tell me you want to see a Wing Commander 5, or 6, or whatever the hell they got up to.

One was a classic. Two was good. Three and the rest just got worse and worse.

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Incorrect.

A former producer of EA, Mark Day, revealed that indeed, a continuing saga following Wing Commander Prophecy was planned. However, the project was laid to rest as it was decided instead to allocate all available resources for Ultima Online.

More significantly, another Wing Commander title, "Wing Commander Online", was under heavy consideration and an agreement was even made to license a third party engine from the company, NetDevil (which now produces JumpGate). This too was also cancelled largely due to the production shift in favor of Ultima Online.

Despite Ultima Online�s huge success and the tremendous profits reaped by EA, no logistical support was released for the continued development of Wing Commander games.

Four years and still, with a fan base of thousands, Origin�s second online massively multi-player game based on the Ultima universe (UWO: Origin) is nearing the beta cycle while no plans whatsoever exists for another WC product.

Conclusion? The reasons behind the lack of new WC material can be attributed to nothing less than neglect.

It should also be noted that I am not seeking to request a sequel for Prophecy, but rather for development tools to provide Wing Commander�s remaining fan base something with which to keep the franchise afloat.

[Ben Barker]

Hmm, it was planned, then scrapped. I wonder why. Maybe because it was suckage and they knew it? Why do you think they shifted resources?
WC wasn't paying anymore, because people weren't buying anymore.
They have moved on, so should you. They ran out of WC material after Wing Commander 2.

[Boeman]

quote:

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Originally posted by Ben Barker:
Hmm, it was planned, then scrapped. I wonder why. Maybe because it was suckage and they knew it? Why do you think they shifted resources?
WC wasn't paying anymore, because people weren't buying anymore.
They have moved on, so should you. They ran out of WC material after Wing Commander 2.

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The burgeoning development costs for Ultima Online was gravely underestimated by its staff. The product shipped literally unfinished with many faults and loopholes waiting to be exploited (and they were). In truth, they were running out of funds; it had nothing to do with Wing Commander�s lack of profit potential.

As to your questionable statement "because people weren't buying anymore", you�ll find evidence in abundance that indicates otherwise.

If you examine EA�s corporate portfolio, you�ll quickly notice how they proudly list Wing Commander as among one of their best sellers. Additionally, by performing a search on Ebay�s listings, undoubtedly, you will discover the Kilrathi Saga (Origin�s Windows optimized compilation of Wing Commander 1, 2 and 3) selling well over $150 up to $400.

I will not say more, assuming that perhaps you just typed that asininity in haste.

[Ben Barker]

Wow genius. You're really getting a lot of signatures over here.
Of course they list WC as a best seller, it was a classic.
I'm asking why you would WANT another WC, since the series has just gone downhill and was complete turd at the time of it's demise.
I can see you're either blind, stupid, or both, and you can't see what a piece of utter gaming shit the later games in the WC series were. Talk about recycling the same thing, and doing it worse. WC could be the subject of a textbook on how to run a succesful series into the ground.

Because there are several hundred morons like you on eBay, pounding their chest retardedly with one hand and using the other to pay 395 more dollars for a bargain bin game than it's worth, doesn't mean EA should spend the several million dollars and the years of effort it takes to squeeze out another rehashed interactive movie of Mark Hammil prancing around blowing up giant cats in space. Some asshole just used eBay to pay $100 for a set of Pokemon cards. Some other moron just blew $400 of the "being a fucking retard" check he gets from the government on a Pez dispenser of Mary Poppins without feet. Is eBay an accurate test of how much things are worth? Should there be another Wing Commander game? If I half-close my laptop while your posts are on the screen, will the white-hot stupidity burn the letters off of the keyboard? Some questions shouldn't be answered. So I'll just conclude by calling you gay.

[jcterminal]

hey, how about some goddamned innovation here?

why did the series go downhill?

cause it was the same crap. i mean really, even if the ONLY change they made was the game was that you played the aliens (kilrathi?) for once, then the series might have a chance.

look at me! i'm milking the cash cow!

mooooo. *clink clink*

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[Boeman]

quote:

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Originally posted by Ben Barker:
Wow genius. You're really getting a lot of signatures over here.
Of course they list WC as a best seller, it was a classic.
I'm asking why you would WANT another WC, since the series has just gone downhill and was complete turd at the time of it's demise.
I can see you're either blind, stupid, or both, and you can't see what a piece of utter gaming shit the later games in the WC series were. Talk about recycling the same thing, and doing it worse. WC could be the subject of a textbook on how to run a succesful series into the ground.

Because there are several hundred morons like you on eBay, pounding their chest retardedly with one hand and using the other to pay 395 more dollars for a bargain bin game than it's worth, doesn't mean EA should spend the several million dollars and the years of effort it takes to squeeze out another rehashed interactive movie of Mark Hammil prancing around blowing up giant cats in space. Some asshole just used eBay to pay $100 for a set of Pokemon cards. Some other moron just blew $400 of the "being a fucking retard" check he gets from the government on a Pez dispenser of Mary Poppins without feet. Is eBay an accurate test of how much things are worth? Should there be another Wing Commander game? If I half-close my laptop while your posts are on the screen, will the white-hot stupidity burn the letters off of the keyboard? Some questions shouldn't be answered. So I'll just conclude by calling you gay.

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No�you typed that asininity at your leisure.

Whether through this board or from other sources, forms are still being sent which is indicative of the fact that indeed, many have no such desire to see a worthy game series as Wing Commander whither away.

Had you adequately researched this issue, you would have found that the latter releases which followed after Wing Commander 1 and 2 exceeded these two games considerably in revenue. These recent titles by all accounts proved their measure and worth to anyone who sincerely played them. It is all too clear that you did not.

When I submitted the base post for this thread, it was my intention to structure it so that those who were familiar with the franchise had the option to support my project�s proposal if they so wished. For the people who were not interested in my project, they were welcome to ignore it. There was no "baiting", "trolling" or derogatory comments of any kind in my message.

Whether it was duly out of youthful exuberance or perhaps you saw it simply as an opportunity to expand your ego at my expense, you lashed out by attacking an entire community you knew little about. Regardless of your motives, you have only served to reveal your own personal inadequacies.

Despite your unscholarly replies, I rebutted your dubious claims not with insults (I was about to apply the term �ad hominem� but it quickly dawned on me that its meaning would far elude you) but with factual information which you yourself could easily verify. Nevertheless, your response consisted little more than personal attacks commingled with hurling profanity and opinionated conjecture which, I am quite sure, peaked the limits of your vocabulary.

I do not know which train of thought you originated from, but in the real working world, no amount of artistic talent will garner you any form of long term employment if you cannot not express your thoughts in writing without resorting to sandbox mud-slinging. The fortitude to restrain oneself from acting inappropriately is what separates the adolescents from the adults. Your recent efforts at rationalization confirm that you are still deeply embedded in the former category.

In any case, your unbecoming conduct in this debate is a disgrace to the probity of this board and its participants. I am no doubt sure, that many of your colleagues on this forum are sorely disappointing with your poor handling of this situation.

Finally, nowhere in my project did I state the absolute necessity for a sequel; only that EA/Origin should develop and sell to us tools with which we can design and implement new creative fiction.

[Ben Barker]

I am smart because I am typing on the internet!

Oh no, Dictionary.com is down!

I can't speak for my colleagues, but they are probably thinking something like "stop spamming this board you idiot" and "go away moron." If you think it takes me any effort to bash you, or that anyone cares at all, you need to stop making 20 minute wing commander flash fantasies and go outside or something.

This "debate"? Debate? Hardly. You're an idiot, case closed.

Oh no, now I will never get a job because of a flame war on Random Musings on sijun.com. Woe is me.
I will go into Blizzard one day, and they will say, "Well Ben, your demo reel is fantastic, but I remember reading this flame war you had about 3 years ago with some guy who wanted to make more games about killing giant cats in space. I thought your anal sex references were really over the top. We just can't hire you, I'm sorry. Maybe if you used more words like 'probity', and pretended that vocabulary made you smarter than everyone else, we would consider it. But until you completely lose the ability to judge when someone is fucking with you, you just can't work here."

[Boeman]

quote:

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Originally posted by Ben Barker:
I am smart because I am typing on the internet!

Oh no, Dictionary.com is down!

I can't speak for my colleagues, but they are probably thinking something like "stop spamming this board you idiot" and "go away moron." If you think it takes me any effort to bash you, or that anyone cares at all, you need to stop making 20 minute wing commander flash fantasies and go outside or something.

This "debate"? Debate? Hardly. You're an idiot, case closed.

Oh no, now I will never get a job because of a flame war on Random Musings on sijun.com. Woe is me.
I will go into Blizzard one day, and they will say, "Well Ben, your demo reel is fantastic, but I remember reading this flame war you had about 3 years ago with some guy who wanted to make more games about killing giant cats in space. I thought your anal sex references were really over the top. We just can't hire you, I'm sorry. Maybe if you used more words like 'probity', and pretended that vocabulary made you smarter than everyone else, we would consider it. But until you completely lose the ability to judge when someone is fucking with you, you just can't work here."

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Words of wisdom. The MTV degenerate has spoken!

Doomed are you that dictionary.com is down, for you are ignorant of the very containers of information which pre-date the Internet by centuries (hint: they are known as books).

The presentation can be viewed in its entirety in under five minutes at most, not twenty. Given the utterly weak comprehension skills you demonstrated thus far however, I wouldn�t be surprised if it took you the better part of the day to realize that using the space bar was a requirement.

On the topic of delusional fantasies; "Well Ben, your demo reel is fantastic�", is the best example I have seen to date.

[Ben Barker]

My complaint about Boeman

I am writing this letter in simple English in order that everyone on Sijun can read and understand my words. What follows is a call to action for those of us who care -- a large
enough number to break the spell of great expectations that now binds myopic opportunists to Boeman. If he gets his way, I might very well run for cover. While he
is definitely entitled to ignore good advice from intelligent people, he labels anyone he doesn't like as "flighty". That might well be a better description of Boeman. An
ancient Greek once wrote something to the effect of, "Incendiarism has nothing to do with quislingism." Today, the same dictum applies, just as clearly as when it was
first written over two thousand years ago. He appears to have found a new tool to use to help him create a global workers plantation overseen by transnational
corporations who have no more concern for the human rights of those who produce their products or services than Boeman has for his subordinates. That tool is
conformism, and if you watch Boeman wield it, you'll truly see why cynicism is not merely an attack on our moral fiber. It is also a politically motivated attack on
knowledge.

In the end, we have to ask, "How will his cronies react when they discover that he wants to drive us into a state of apoplexy?" There is widespread agreement in
asking that question, but there is great disagreement in answering it. If it were up to Boeman, schoolchildren would be taught reading, 'riting, and racism. We must
turn random, senseless violence into meaningful action without the slightest consideration for any screams and complaints that might arise, but that's really beside the
point. If one accepts the framework I've laid out here, it follows that his vassals' thinking is fenced in by many constraints. Their minds are not free because they dare
not be. I am not trying to save the world -- I gave up that pursuit a long time ago. But I am trying to illustrate the virtues that Boeman lacks -- courage, truthfulness,
courtesy, honesty, diligence, chivalry, loyalty, and industry.

While I am not attempting to argue openly in favor of any particular position, there is a format he should follow for his next literary endeavor. It involves a topic
sentence and supporting facts. This moral issue will eventually be rendered academic by the fact that no matter what else we do, our first move must be to educate
everyone about how it's irascible whiney autocrats that make prurient antidisestablishmentarianism possible. That's the first step: education. Education alone is not
enough, of course. We must also weed out people like Boeman who have deceived, betrayed, and exploited us. Although the dialectics of conniving praxis will woo
over disreputable salacious ragamuffins by using tactics such as scapegoating, reductionist and simplistic solutions, demagoguery, and a conspiracy theory of history
quicker than you can double-check the spelling of "anthropomorphical", as our society continues to unravel, more and more people will be grasping for straws,
grasping for something to hold onto, grasping for something that promises to give them the sense of security and certainty that they so desperately need. These are
the sorts of people Boeman preys upon. He teaches workshops on antagonism. Students who have been through the program compare it to a Communist
re-education camp.

Doctrinaire lunkheads can't even agree among themselves as to how rancorous Boeman is for a variety of reasons. For instance, larrikinism doesn't work. So why
does Boeman cling to it? It is only when one has answers to that question is it possible to make sense of Boeman's prognoses, because last summer, I attempted
what I knew would be a hopeless task. I tried to convince Boeman that in this volatile political moment, we must cautiously guard against the dangers of unregenerate
irreligionism. As I expected, Boeman was entirely unconvinced. Given the incorrigible political rhetoric of our times, his cat's-paws have learned their scripts well,
and the rhetoric comes gushing forth with little provocation.

It should be readily apparent that if if Boeman's apparatchiks get their way, society as we know it will cease to exist, then he believes that courtesy and manners
don't count for anything. Sorry, but I have to call foul on that one. Pardon my coarse language, but Boeman commonly appoints ineffective people to important
positions. He then ensures that these people stay in those positions, because that makes it easy for Boeman to promote promiscuity and obscene language.

Egotism is, at its core, a callous system that seeks to clear forests, strip the topsoil, and turn a natural paradise into a dust bowl through a self-induced drought. Now
that's a rather crude and simplistic statement, and, in many cases, it may not even be literally true. But there is a sense in which it is generally true, a sense in which it
sincerely expresses how there are two kinds of people in this world. There are those who destabilize the already volatile social fabric that Boeman purportedly aims
to save, and there are those who go placidly amid the noise and haste. Boeman fits neatly into the former category, of course. Despite his evident lack of grounding
in what he's talking about, we must lift the fog from his thinking. Our children depend on that. Boeman's warnings are not pedantic treatises expressing theories or
extravaganzas dealing in fables or fancies. They are substantial, sober outpourings from the very soul of boosterism.

It is never easy to judge what the most appropriate or effective response to Boeman's inane treatises is, but one unfortunate fact remains clear: You, of course, now
need some hard evidence that the time has come to discuss, openly and candidly, a vision for a harmonious, multiracial society. Well, how about this for evidence:
He parrots whatever ideas are fashionable at the moment. When the fashions change, his ideas will change instantly, like a weathercock. Boeman can't seriously
believe that every word that leaves his mouth is teeming with useful information, can he? Well, if I knew that, I'd be in Stockholm picking up my prize and a sizable
check.

It is apparent to me that we mustn't let him go to great lengths to conceal his true aims and mislead the public. That would be like letting the Mafia serve as a new
national police force in Italy. While these incidents may seem minor, he periodically puts up a facade of reform. However, underneath the pretty surface, it's always
business as usual. Shame on Boeman for thinking that people like you and me are slatternly! He keeps saying that alarmism is a be-all, end-all system that should be
forcefully imposed upon us. For some reason, Boeman's janissaries actually believe this nonsense.

You may balk at this, but I appreciate feedback and other people's views on subjects. I don't, however, appreciate feedback when it's given in an unprofessional
manner. Speaking of which, no one can be right all of the time. But the problems with Boeman's perversions don't end there. Although everyone has goals, Boeman's
goal seems to be to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations.

Boeman refers to a variety of things using the word "unexceptionableness". Translating this bit of jargon into English isn't easy. Basically, he's saying that a plausible
excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. At any rate, we must upbraid him for being so complacent. As mentioned above, however, that is not enough. It
is necessary to do more. It is necessary to get him off our back. His claim that he can achieve his goals by friendly and moral conduct is factually unsupported and
politically motivated. To recap the main points made in this letter: 1) Boeman should stop and savor life, not take advantage of human fallibility to destroy the lives of
good, honest people, 2) his arguments would be completely risible if they weren't so unrestrained, and 3) if he were to attack the very fabric of this nation, it would
be a grave insult to everyone who devoted his or her life's work to helping the less fortunate.

[Boeman]

A colourful at attempt at a Strawman argument, though it had nothing to do with Wing Commander or your inexplicable failure to address any of the relevant issues at hand. Your literary attempt was whimsical at best.

Should you decide to copy additional segments from another�s work (while at the same time inserting my name in place of another), you should apply the "auto-formatting" style to your document before you paste your (highly derivative) masterpiece. This will ensure that your posts will not appear with unsightly carriage returns; an otherwise dead giveaway that Microsoft Word was used to fabricate what you deemed as an "adequate" response.

Be sure to print and enclosed this thread along with your resume; as it has been noted that the ability to amuse your potential employer during an interview vastly improves your chances of being hired. Of course, be prepared to learn the difference between a barrister and solicitor should your interviewer die from extensive laughter as a result of your asininity.

At any rate, this has been a very stimulating exchange. Alas, my time is as limited as your sagacity is miniscule.

So, in closing for my final post on this thread, allow me to honour you personally by summing up the content of your character in your own words, "You�re gay".

[Ben Barker]

Heh, you're really a moron for several reasons, not worth typing and not worth cutting and pasting from somewhere else. Maybe if you lurk on the internet enough, someday you'll find out why.

Cheers!