[Ben Barker]

Like Chapel said, it's not your best. But I don't think that was the point. I think the point was that clients are idiots.

[synj]

I dont care if its his worst or his best - its my wallpaper. Keep up the good work mister spooge, as if I even needed to say that.

-synj www.synj.net

[kimzoll]

chapel: and I'm kinda surprised that a few particular forum members are still saying "this is great", "my favorite", yada yada. Hate me for saying this or not.. your choice.

You know when I think somethings nice,great or f...... awesome Im gonna say it, if I have some crit, Im gonna say that too.
Synj: it my wallpaper too
Kim

[Sergenth]

...and you guys call yourselves fans of Craig. For shame.

Don't you remember back in May where Craig posted that he liked to draw fast pics with feeling and color and lighting better than the high-gloss commision work? I think this came from that "speed pic" theme everybody was following in March and April )or was it May?)

The pics he has been posting are bases for final results. The above image could be polished to a fine spooge-a-riffic coat within 8 hours.

Save the image to HD, and shrink it to 50% or
just squint at the monitor... you'll see the finished image then. It's sweet.

Plus, spooge is doing this sijun stuff outside of his absolutley time-consuming job with that crazy "Super Space Show" in Yugoslavia or some country... I'm not too sure where really...(how many NDA's have you signed now?

oh and Seargent Death, Major Damage... hehe.

[::Dino::]

Cool I think this is great. I also happen to like your 'change of style'. Everyone seems to be somewhat dissappointed at the lack of polish, but; every image has to start somewhere and I'm assuming these are work in progess/sketches. I suppose everyone is just craving one of those incredibly clean, and polished, Spooge masterpieces; that they've started to miss it

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[Joachim]

chapel, I just don't like when people are trying to put words in my mouth. I say my opinion, as always. And, I don't nescessarily need to say yours, do I, to have a correct opinion. I know you didn't point it to me in particular, but say your opinion and let others have their own....

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[Bugscratch]

spooge, this is just plain great.
I love your style, the whole atmosphere of the picture is just fantastic. I especially love your use of colors in this one.
And the ship design. And the lightning.
Well you get it I guess. It's just plain GOOD. If it were my pic I would change the composition a bit, maybe giving the viewer a bit more of a view into the distance, and I would make the character a bit smaller or the ship a bit bigger, but since it's not mine I'll shut up.
In difference to some of the others here I prefer the large version to the small sketch though. The sketch looks too empty IMHO.
And I don't think that it's necessary to do every pic hyper-realistic. I think that the ability to draw realistic images should be the base of any artistic abstraction or simplification, but I think that very often drawing hyper-realistic takes away a lot of the mood, atmosphere and sense of movement of a picture.

-bugscratch

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[Chapel]

Hey people that was just my opinion. I just think it would benefit spooge more if you said what it IS about the picture that you like and what it is you don't like instead of just saying "wow", "awesome you rule", insert generic art god compliment here.

The only negative feedback is the kind you don't learn from. If that makes sense.

I'd also like to go on record by saying I love everything spooge has done.. its just I think he could have done a few of them better is all. I wish I had a tenth of the talent he has. I may seem harsh in alot of my posts because I really don't like to candycoat things. So, if it seems that way I really just have the best of intentions in mind.


joachim: read your post after I posted this one. I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth, and I wasn't referring to just this thread. Sorry, if it seems that way. I think I'll just keep to my own threads (if any) for now on.


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[CapnPyro]

WOW, AWESOME YOU RULE! YOUR A GENERIC ART GOD!

hah, sorry, i always have to be the funny one

[Francis]

This is not very cinematic. Which I guess is what you're going for, right?

Is this a rocket thingie or is it a giant prosthetic arm?


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[Lukias]

Agree with many of the comments

Not ya best, though why should it be, everything is an experiment really.
very good....of course

Your sky reminds me of Turner.

[burn0ut]

Well i gota say this is dope, i like the hand alot, it just popped into my eye(it looks more rendered then most of the picture) I say Polish this baby up! i wanna see what u do with the guys breastplate thing


I do like the b/w one's comp ALOT

good job man

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Trial n Error.

[yoshi]

looks like a (hydraulic)broom, a witch is about to fly away ? The hand suggests a shaman thou. Thumbnail kicks ass (btw, u don't irritate me, i prolly irritate u, sorry)

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Originally posted by Francis:
This is not very cinematic. Which I guess is what you're going for, right?

Is this a rocket thingie or is it a giant prosthetic arm?

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[Snake Grunger]

Evenin' Spooge,

I for one would like to add that your painting is very slick overall. I dig the mysteriousness you gave the character with his position/clothing. Background, like most said, should have more depth given to it. It seems I cannot but enjoy everything you're willing to draw and show us. Frankly, I think your client is very stubborn to not like that piece. And it's a freebie even! He underestimates your technique in polishing/making look what you draw very good. From everything that was said by all the other art gifted sijun people here, I'd simply like to clarify that only true friends are the ones who critique the most/best.

I've been reading "De la d�mocratie en Am�rique" (Democracy in America), by Alexi de Tocqueville, and, in certain chapters, he almost completely tortures aspects of democracy to a point where, if I were democracy, I'd want to cry. But, in the end, Tocqueville remains a democrat and thinks it's the way to go.

Joachim - That's telling Chapel !

[quaternius]

Nice strong image. Deserves the polishing. Like most of my own commercial work, I like the first image better. When you said you thought the client didn't like it you got me thinkin' what I would do if my client said they didn't like it. The image got my juices flowing and I made some time to respond. Hey, this isn't intended as a crit. As any artist, my "take" on it would be a little different. Here's how I might set up the composition,(Feel free to ridicule me):



(If that didn't work I'll just post a link)

- Quaternius

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[quaternius]

ack.
Don't know if that's tripod that won't allow a linkup, or me plugging in bad data.

Try this, if you're interested enough: http://quaternius.tripod.com
click on "Forum"

-Quaternius

[toast!]

wow that s awesome Spooge

more seriously , i really dig spooge's rought style . Most of the time, "finished" pics don't really show the artists potentials ;

Spooge has the ability to draw such things in a very quick way and with a great talent ,showing emotional shapes and a big atmosphere with a few colours and big rought strokes ;
Too much realism is not inevitably the way to go, rought pics have an emotional content and a strength that a pic with too much detail cannot show

I would reserve highly detailed pics for illustration ; concept or portraiture ; something made only for an informational or educational purpose ; Pics making me feel something are quickly executed roughts, abstract shapes, very marked stylees showing the artists talent and sense of esthetism (maybe we can say "art" ?) . I really prefer that oil portrait made by spooge rather than the highly detailed illustrations showing monsters and other stuff he did ; the style is really personal ,emerging strength and not influenced by any client or other specifications.

of course, that s my humble opinion , i respect the fact than someone else could prefer hyper realist pics

Take care
Toast

[Dives]

I really like the topic and the atmosphere but it does in deed need a LOT of polishing.

[Justin Kramer]

neat. I dig the sky and the ship in the background, but I don't find the guy in the foreground all that compelling. The thumbnail pic you posted seems to have better composition and tells more of a 'story'.


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[spooge demon]

I thought this reminded me of the Imperial Sardaukar from Dune when I looked again. �Bring me the head of that Paul guy!�

I am really trying to get the time an inclination to finish this one. There have been some very good crits and suggestions here, thank you all. I read them all very, very carefully. Buuut, in the time it would take me to finish this out I could do three more like this. I am inclined to do 3 more. I think I will be further along in the long run

This took about 2 hours, because it went through a lot of changes.

Jaymo, the top image is 3k, and was derived from the bottom one, so it is similar.

�Recently, most of his work seem to just lift color schemes from classical renaissance paintings, and don't try to push that at all.� I guess by this you mean the warm sepia tones? Yes, I do look to older painters more than modern ones. Umm, the little sketch is has no color at all.

Another aspect that may make the little one more appealing is that the content is more original. Have we seen enough kick ass 8 foot tall demon dudes for one lifetime? The little sketch is a less hackneyed. I indulge in these subjects because they are established canons, and I guess I think I might end up with a fresh take on an old genre.

I can see the attraction of the little sketch, it�s high contrast and small size make it easy to read into whatever you like. I think this is what I am trying to capitalize on with a little looser style. See how that works? I post a more explicit image and people tend to gravitate (well, not everybody) towards the little cryptic sketch, because they can really let their own imaginations do the real work. Artwork as enabler.

I remember doing little paintings as preparations for a finished illustration and liking the little sketch a lot. I tried to get the same feeling into the finished piece, with seldom any luck. Digital makes this problem a lot less bothersome.

Kimzoll, I have never heard of this comic, I will look it up. Thanks!

Aliasmoze, haha! I go darker and darker so easily, it really part laziness, I think. It is strange, i like rusty industrial depressing stuff, but i can�t stand to actually be in such a place. I need green pastures and warm breezes.

I think the idea of this image is very safe. There is really little of the vaunted experimentation going on here. It was as easy as falling out of a chair. Trying to break old habits and think in new ways is the hardest thing you can do. I just took a little break here

Chapel, I have no problem at all with what you have said. I like people to be as honest as possible, as long as they are honest and articulate. Even a polite no thank you is fine. I get a better idea of what people like, and it always surprises me. I feel your opinion that the forms of the sketches I do for this forum are flat is very accurate. In a lot of ways I am trying to flatten my shapes out to strengthen the design. i am clumsy at it yet, but i am getting somewhere, I think. It is kinda foreign to me. Training as an industrial designer and even a traditional illustrator teaches you to put as much possible information about form in as you can. Every surface is given explicitly. Later, you begin to simplify. That is where I am at. So micke, that flat sky is somewhat intentional. I have to do real looking skies all day

Also, which paintings do you feel were better? But please don�t confuse �finished� with �better.�

I don�t worry about this client, this image is not appropriate for their needs. They might like it, but not for the project.

I am doing very finished work for the Final Fantasy movie, which is where 95% of my time is going. I think I will have to pass on car whores because of this previous commitment. I will release them after the movie comes out. But most of them are 6-8k, and those sick little jpegs on my site make me wonder why I get any work at all. So my loosening up here is not really the result of a brain tumor, depression, or whatever, just doing something very different. but I am wondering, have I ever done tight stuff for this forum? hmmm...

Yes, Sergenth, you guessed it pretty well.

Francis, not cinematic? cool! More like comics. oh. back to the search for a voice...

That arm thing did start out to be the guys other arm, but I forgot about it and did not accentuate it. Kinda works either way, I guess. Up to you, the way I like it.

Thanks you toast for those eloquent words, they are appreciated.

Quarternis, I like the way you think about it, very basic. I did the opposite at first, like this:



I was gonna put the back end of a closer ship in the middle ground on the left, with some other figures in front of that.

oh. what do you think of this? I think it sucks and I hope I don�t need a lawyer. There is no mention of my name, that goodbrush is a site, and they put their damn address on the image. Balls!

http://www.hebus.com/

[Flinthawk]

Heh, for a second I was stumped as to how I was gunna find what image you're talking about on that entire site, spooge...I'm assuming you're talking about your Marathon images that're under the Video Games section? I think that's what you're refering to. Hmmm, very rude that they don't give any credit to the original creator of nearly the entire image. That would upset me to see the only credit given to somebody who 'designed' the wallpaper. I can't see designing those things as being quite as hard as making the content that goes into them. Not sure about the rules on stuff like this though.

-Flinthawk

[SporQ]

hmm, they got his oni images up there as well...

SporQ

[Rinaldo]

http://206.161.207.15/games/image2.php3?img=marathon/marathon002.jpg&nom_img=marat hon002.jpg

that is pretty bad. not only that they used your work but they butchered it.
Gawd that's awfull. the screen shots and everything.

it reflects badly on your name.

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[demigodfromdisney]

wow,great pic spooge like it very much!
sven

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[kimzoll]

Yo spooge, I made some research:
comics called:

"The light and darkness war."
Epic comics.
Writer/creator.
Tom Veitch

Artist/creator.
Cam Kennedy

his style is different from yours, but the story and universe are very inspirational.
Kim

[A.Buttle]

Spooge, did you check out the Drawings.Art section of the site? There's a whole section of you with your website and everything but your name.

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