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[Shizo]
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 8:53 pm     Reply with quote
I'm just finding it super hard for me to draw what i imagined in my head. For example i want to draw a soldier aiming his sniper rifle. I'm trying to draw him but it doesn't come out as i imagined.. The pose is different, the colors are all off. I also think that half of what i imagine is the 'feeling' or 'mood' of the picture that i see.. Not the vision of it as in shapes/colors.
Right now i imagined a simple scene of someone standing in frint of a small cafe door (WW2 time). I can't draw what i want and that really frustrates me! Even if i drew something and everything looked good, texture and everything - still not something i pictured in my head.

Now the most beautiful think i see in mullins work is that he can transfer the image with simple shapes and lines. A couple brush strokes it already look like a photo..
Now what i really need is some suggestion how to better start out my drawing to get better results.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 9:15 pm     Reply with quote
... been there.... still there...
The trick is patience. I'm assuming that the reason you can't draw what your thinking is that you haven't refined your drawing skills yet. You just need to take time and patience to redo the same scene over and over until you get it right... I don't see any other way to do it. Just practice and patience.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 9:16 pm     Reply with quote
OMG we are in the same boat i try to draw what i imagin and it comes out hmm not right everything is off and it anoys me i myself havent found a way by this but when i do ill let you know. oh by the way got my wacom 6x8 monday and right this second i am fooling around witht the settings wow i love it any sugesstions on setting? oh well back to your question when i find out ill let ya know bud. good luck witht the block i know its a pain in the ass.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 9:22 pm     Reply with quote
I sketch out the idea first on paper then I imagine the picture again and then change the picure bit by bit until right.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 9:23 pm     Reply with quote
it's okay shizo, you can still draw better than i can.

(go suck that latest wacom size pic already :P)



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 9:54 pm     Reply with quote
EviLToYLeT - ye, i also think it's that.. but my pictures already take hours and sometimes i just scrap them at the end cause they're becoming more and more off from what i want - POS!

Krazy - oh yeah, beep me when you find the way ;) I think we should first try sketching very faintly of what we want to draw.. and then refine. Ill practice more on this.

Jerry - probably paper is a good idea, although i dont like paper ;P

faustgfx bum - you know it baby, you mess with KGB - it mess with YOU! ehehhe. I really think you should lay off the abstract stuff and practice more action and realism and... eRR!!! Wait, it is me listening to people in this topic :o


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 10:04 pm     Reply with quote
I'm totaly in that area too... I have thought on this before. Sometimes it's due to not knowing the "time/area" as well as you might think. If you do some researching on WWII and how the towns look during the time, that might help you refine the image in your head. Also how the people dressed and what not.

Mullins is, I belive, 37 years old and I think has like 2 majors and who knows what else he's gotton into. So if your 35 and drawing like a high schooler, then you gota do some catching up to be where he's at. But definately give your self time, but in the same sense, keep pushing yourself like you probably are.

My thoughts atleast.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 11:13 pm     Reply with quote
[Shizo]
Just a simple suggestion. Instead of spending hours on one finished image, spend a few minutes on as many thumbnails as you can do. Repetition is the key. Do 50 quick little thumbnails. Eventually you'll start to see things you like and dislike. Once you've found a direction or directions you like, take a few of them and begin to refine them. The reason Spooge is so amazing is because he's done thousands of paintings. I once saw an instructor of mine paint an amazing image of an adobe shack with birds perched on the roof. It took him half an hour to paint. A few months later he sold the painting for 20 grand. When the person who bought it asked him how long it took him to him to paint it, his reponse was, "20 years". That's long long it took him to learn how to paint such a fantastic image in half an hour. That, and he's painted thousands of images. Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2000 11:31 pm     Reply with quote
I dig that response anticz. Thumbs up for that one.

-Hof
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2000 12:06 am     Reply with quote
I actively visualize the image and the form of what I'm drawing/painting. It's part of my "feeling" around my subject, so that I know all the distances and measurements-I can feel them, as though they were a part of me. Then it's easier to produce what you imagine.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2000 3:23 am     Reply with quote
Anticz is right, but to help shizo:
try to imagine something defined. Take an idea and think it over and over until you can see a picture and then try to draw it. It's quite hard, but maybe it will help you.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2000 4:40 am     Reply with quote
Shizo, you're beginning to realize that the hard part is not the technical aspect of getting a vision onto the screen, but of getting that vision into enough clarity in your head.

"Visualize, then do".
Those are the words of a surf legend, but it applies equally to art as it does to surfing. Once you have the vision, you can draw it, write poetry about it, paint it, or whatever.......

Often, I find that having some reference at hand helps to refine the vision of an image. You want to draw a wartime cafe? Get some pictures of cafes, and use them to help you decide the details of the image you want. What layout does it have? Single storey? What signs or posters are on it? Is it damaged in recent fighting? Are there other customers or passers-by? Don't feel that it's cheating - all the images that we have in our head come from years of soaking up the imagery around us....in fact the only way you know what soldiers in WW2 looked like is from seeing photos, right? So seek out and use those photos to help....

Hope that makes some sense.

Cheers, A.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2000 6:48 am     Reply with quote
its true, repetition and practise are the keys. but while you're practising, spend as much time as possible drawing from models or if necessary, reference photos. if you're using reference photos, try to draw the object in the photo, but at a different angle or pose. this gives your brain a bit more exercise, and will give you a better understanding of the forms. after drawing something enough, you won't need reference.

or just steal a spooge demon painting. that will definitely help.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2000 7:12 am     Reply with quote
Wooh, some great discussion going on here!

jHof - it's true that i might not know a lot about the subject, but i don't think mullins needs any reference to draw eh? He just firest up his mac (sux) and digs into it :) I'll try looking at reference for my next drawing just to try how it works.. hmm spooge is 37? heh

anticz - so THAT'S what they call practise! I tried doing a few sketches for one drawing before, but i ended up refining one single sketch... i guess i didn't do enough of them yet! *will try next time*. Thanks for a very interesting posting.

Anthony - i can feel my picture too, but somehow i don't see the WHOLE image at the same time in my head.

Ragnarok - ye i'll try to probably just think up something VERY simple like an object or a place and try to draw exactly what i imagined.

A - reference reference.. ok i'll try some reference but not a lot :o I
ll also try to imagine it more detailed as you said.

hennifer - eehmm... practice different angles.. hmm no, i'll just steal one of the Spooge's paintings ;)

laters now, i go to werk.

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