[V Shane]

I found Spooge's technique extremely helpful in laying down values. But thats as far as it goes, after that I blend in oil technique style. So to me, his technique isn't the be all-end all of digital style (though excellent!) I prefer not to look like other artists, actually I have turned down five clents so far this year, because they wanted me to look like someone else. I jsut told them if they wanted that look so bad, why not contact that artist?

To each his own style, that happens with time and insight, everyone has thier quantum leaps if they just let it happen. But tutorials are priceless, I especially like Maxfield Parish's technique

Shane

[Siyaan]

I dont know about you people, but I never just AQUIRED skill. Talent I was born with, but the skill came after I copied everything I saw. I was into comics so I only did Spiderman, XMen by Jim Lee and such, but thats how I learned. Granted I wasnt making money on it (that would be illegal), but I was learning none the less. If someone wants to copy off of Mullins, dont cut them down for it, let them learn.

[Snake Grunger]

Well, I guess people with few posts are people who actually understand they have better things to do than to rant uselessly on a message board.

Or rather, rant for the sole purpose of listening to themselves talk and think to themselves that they are smart.

"My style is.." -- "Oh, my technique is.." -- "My opinion is.." -- "Me, me, me .."

Instead of, "Compared to many of the other great artists that have come to be, I am but a mere small insect compared to them. If I'm to ever reach their level, I need to concentre on practicing and learning."

But hey, convincing others about how great you are is much easier than actually being great.

[Siyaan]

Thankyou for proving your own point. I think Snakes arrogance closed THIS discussion thread. Thanks buddy.

[V Shane]

Well, thats why they are called message boards. people..real ones..leaving messages, sharing thier ideas thier concepts their personae, all is game including "me me me" posts. After all, I only know me me me. I don't know you (Snake) or really very many others, why not? because with that perpsective you will let very people know who you are or what you LIKE to do, even if its saying we are all ego-maniacs ...HELL YEAH I only got one ego, and I learn from the other egos on the board. Just common sharing is all.

But, yes copy where you can and learn. With learning in forums such as this, you can better develop the me me me abilities

And please, any negative responses to this may cause me hurt feelings and I'll have to post on the board I'm leaving and begin another exile of (moderatley) new members


[ June 21, 2002: Message edited by: V Shane ]

[zak]

i dont think tutorials are so much about learning, but more about building confidence. of course if youre newbie, you need a tutorial that introduces you to all the tools and stuff like that *remembers back in the days lurking at julies site* once you get your head around the tools and the program, its pretty much down to you. you figure out how to use them, you look at other peoples stuff, you think, hmm i never knew i could do that, you try and you get better. now it does not make much difference if this comes from a tutorial or from a finished piece (for me that is). once youre at that stage, your knowledge just accumulates and in the end that becomes your style. built on the things you value most on other artists work, and not reproducing someone elses style, and in the end, just to add that slight little bit that gives your work the edge, you develop new techniques yourself.
i dont agree with talent. i dont think it exists.
i am a firm beliver in determination. if i now decide to go and become a world class painter, and im very determined, i will. if i want to become the next hendrix, ill go practise and i will. its all about determnation. i think that way because sometimes i get someone come up to me and say ohhh i would not be able to do that ever, and i just say why the hell not, its all about the practise. what do they reply with???? i have no talent to that (hence my analogy. talent is an excuse to/not to do or learn something). you see they wouldnt mind learning how to draw if it was overnight, but they know that its something you have to keep going for the rest of their life, which is more than theyd bargain for. this lill tutorial that im sure many of you would recognise just summarises it really click. (not saying hat they think that this is how its done, but more like thats what they wish for how its done
but then again thats my opinion.

ps. damn, i havent typed that much in a long time. i dunno if i made sense there.

[ June 23, 2002: Message edited by: zak ]

[Torstein Nordstrand]

Hear hear, truth spoken. Talent is an outdated lie. But that's another thread altogether...

[fuel_99]

Snake: don't know if this was meant sarcastic or not but the posts reading
"I am unworthy, please excuse my pitiful existence and forgive me that I torture your eyes with the excrements of my foolish artistic attempts." are as annoying as the "I rock big time and you are dirt" ones.

[zak]

does that mean i second Torstein Nordstrand, or does he second me.
well whatever it is i think the same way