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HardCoil
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 10:19 pm     Reply with quote
Hi guys, this is my first post here and one of my first experiments with this kind of style :



Any crit and pointers are very welcome. I know I need to do something to the wall, just not sure what..
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 10:26 pm     Reply with quote
I like, but, (pardon me for this) it looks like twins (the eyes that is). But I Like...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 12:05 am     Reply with quote
"move move move! elians in the closet!"

looks like a photo of the whole elian gonzales thing that was going on a bit ago

looks pretty good. maybe the first guy shouldnt be looking at the front, cause its attention taking(ohh, there's someone looking at me). he doesnt seem "in the zone" if he is looking at the pretty camera.

EDIT: wait! nevermind about the eye, thing, he isnt looking at the camera.....well, fix that tear duct, it looks like an eyeball! hehehe
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 3:36 am     Reply with quote
Hardcoil from the HI forums?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 4:19 am     Reply with quote
Oh no that's not me. Back in the HI forums I post only flower and landscape pics. Eh. I mean...dammit you got me..

Dthind: You are right. It's one of my big problems I think, all my "tough male" faces look essentially the same..probably because I'm used to doing more "comic style" images. Perhaps I should try to make some portraits to get the "feel" of different facial structures.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 9:40 am     Reply with quote
Hardcoil-

Pretty good stuff. Just a couple of suggestions if you don't mind.

The weapons look like they're supposed to be HK MP5's. Check out http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com for some really good reference pics of all their small arms.

http://www.blackhawkindustries.com is a good site for reference pics of equipment like belts, vests, googles and such.

Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 11:14 am     Reply with quote
Zoso:

The image may be used in a role playing game, so I can't use real weapons. These were indeed inspired (heavily) by the H&K UMP .45 and the MP5SD series

I know blackhawk very well, I have an Omega Crossdraw vest of theirs myself, so I usually use that for reference.

Thanks for the input. I'm a "point out weapon mistakes" guy myself, so I know where you are coming from
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 11:59 am     Reply with quote
This is pretty good! One thing I noticed, though, is that the perspective is kind unclear. You need to put the second soldier more into the background, and pull the first one more to the front. You can do that with lighting effects, like a lamp from the upper right or left that makes clear where in the room the two are standing, respectively; or with a light from below, which makes for a nice atmosphere as well. Just something to show that these aren't cutout figures or sprites, but actual, living, breathing, 3d humans.

The left arm of soldier #1 is apparently something like 30cm (1 ft) long, the elbow needs to be lower and much further to the right.

Another problem I see is that the third guy is concentrating heavily on a piece of wall right beside the doorpost, and guy #2 is looking not at his gunpoint, but somewhere right from it (from his perspective).

The lighting that you have suggests that the arms should cast shadows unto the thoraxes.

Anyway, I see quite some potential in this picture, if and only if you can somehow make the composition more interesting. Try different things with the wall, or cut the wall off at some point.. maybe even cut off a piece of guy #1, to focus on #2 that's looking at us. Will you work with colors? That would mean some more interesting ways of contrast..

Anyway, I hope this post has been somehow helpful (it was my first )..



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 2:15 pm     Reply with quote
Nice, can't really crit your drawing or technique as I don't know a whole heap on that, but I can give some pointers on close quarters entry.

I wouldn't like to be the first guy through the door, as his partner following him has the dangerous end of his gun a little too close to his head for my comfort. First guy could possibly crouch? (Maybe its a perspective thing, but it was the first thing I noticed) Aprt from that I think the only other thing is tweaking the body positions a little to sell the movement aspect - your weapon positioning seems bang on (bad pun - not intended) - A semi crouched position (bent knees) may emphasize the 'sense of urgency' for the situation as they move in.
Best reference I can think of is an old movie called 'who dares wins' Which has footage of SAS storming an embassy. The other is to play rogue spear as the graphics are extremely good as far as body movement goes. And its really funn to shoot terrorists with big guns!!!!

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 11:37 pm     Reply with quote
Thanks guys
Wayfinder: Whoops how the hell did I miss that arm !?? Soldier #2 is supposed to be in the other room just about to go through the door. I'll try to play around with the lightning as you said, I think I see what you mean. Hmm guy 3 needs to have his head flipped or something.

Zero21: They are supposed to be running in that "semi crouch" style you do in these situations. I think the problem is that I made the door to small, so it looks like they are standing up. I think I'll adjust the legs a little as well.
I know RB6 very well That game was what started all this SWAT/CQB madness for me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2001 3:35 am     Reply with quote
OK, here's an updated image. I tried using the light from guy2's tac light to get more depth in the image. I think this places the first guy well in front of the other 2. This is SO much fun, I wish I had found this forum and started this stuff a long time ago



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2001 6:16 am     Reply with quote
Thats nice m8
Reminds me of this:


Dont wonna take the glory for this peice so ill add the webby its posted on.
http://art.counter-strike.net/art/week14/index.shtml

Oooh but ive just started me own SAS model hehe, here she be (he).


Mine aint finnshed, but yours still looks better heh.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2001 1:38 pm     Reply with quote
If you're after reference material to really improve this kind of image, you absolutely can't go past a publication called "Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement". It's a magazine (monthly?) which often has photos of fully-kitted SWAT on training.

As for this image, the second light source sure adds a lot to that image. I would have been tempted to put another in the back room, either a window or another flashlight, to add a few details or at least create sillhouettes of the remaining team members. Just mho.

The anatomy of the front guy is a bit strange, I think he would be improved by lifting his right elbow away from his body, and bulking that arm up a bit. All the SWAT guys I seem to see in photos are major steroid abusers!

Cheers, A.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2001 11:42 pm     Reply with quote
This is my first post! These I have been reading these forums off and on for awhile and finally registered.

I like it, but here's My idea;
Keep the image, but rework it and so there is backlighting comming from outside (either moon light or sun light) silouteting the first two and creating a dark shadow on the third. Like they are entering a dark room or something. Just an idea.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2001 4:21 am     Reply with quote
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Originally posted by A:

The anatomy of the front guy is a bit strange, I think he would be improved by lifting his right elbow away from his body, and bulking that arm up a bit.



I know the arm looks a bit strange, but it was actually drawn like this on purpose. It's the technique taught by H&K's firearms training centre among others. The point is, that if you keep you elbow close to your body, it won't snag on doorframes, team members or other stuff in your way. It certainly doesen't feel natural at first, but you can get used to it.

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