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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 10:45 am     Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 11:02 am     Reply with quote
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v1510nAry --->

Thanks! I watche 80s wwf when a child time to time when the "demolition Bros." the ultimate warrior" "MachoMan" "hulkHogan" and so, It was funny.

But this pic is more inspired by Mexican "Lucha libre", a cheaper and less theatrical fight...

Was its sad and funny atmosphere what inspired me...

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Micke --->

Very glad that my style remembers you such great illustrator-masters Thanks.

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FlintHawk --->

Happy to see you again !!!
I have been busy past month...
...I Wanna see more of your work too!


Thanks a lot for reply to all you!


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 1:33 pm     Reply with quote
Zoso --->

Thanks !!!
I agree, it´s kinda surreal !!!
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About your question:

Hehe! don´t worry...
This what done with a couple of pencils!!! And whole bunch of patience!!!

The pencils: A lightBlue 0.5mech pencil and an Imperial purple color pencil.
I love those two!!!, The pity is that are very bad compressed, so when I scan the drawing I apply some color adjustements.

As I wanted a "retro-psycho-sadness" I did this kinda "old-photo" color...

I did more or less the same adjustements in my Gladiatorus post!

Have you seen it?

See ya Zoso.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 1:50 pm     Reply with quote
What kind of paper do you use?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 2:11 pm     Reply with quote
Ragnarok --->

An ultra top secret kind of paper
Its codename is "standard photocopy paper"

Hehe !!!

If you ask it because of the texture, it´s the effect of the pencil.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 2:20 pm     Reply with quote
Sempere: Pensaba que era algún papel especial por el color. He visto a algunos miembros usar papeles en los que añadían luces y tal y me preguntaba si habría alguien que pudiese decírmelo en español =)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 2:55 pm     Reply with quote
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Ragnarok --->

Of course !!!

Es muy interesante usar el propio color del papel !!!

Una de las formas más habituales de aprovechar el color del papel es usando creta blanca y de color siena sobre un palpel de un tono calido. Con el siena das las sombras y con el blanco, posteriormente, darás los realzes (luces)

A typical ex. is a nude study or portrait.

Otro método muy utilizado son los pasteles. Al ser pigmentos, polvos de color que se adhieren a una superficie es habitual usarlos sobre superficies que aporten un color base, ya que es un medio muy delicado a la hora de superponer capas.
Los papeles más utilizados son los canson, con un grano suave pero que permite una correcta adherencia.

Hay miles de maneras de hacer lo que comentas, (incluso podrías utilizar acrílicos sobre papel adecuado para el medio del color que quieras), pero no te olvides que si no encuentras una tecnica que te apañe siempre podrás inventartela.

Espero no haber metido mucho la pata.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 2:58 pm     Reply with quote
Well, thanks! I use the typical black and yellow pencil to make my skecthes, so it's a bit hard to make lights
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 3:13 pm     Reply with quote
Ragnarok --->

If you mean a typical HB pencil you can make highlights with the eraser.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 3:17 pm     Reply with quote
Yes, but the typical used Milan eraser is not very precise, is it?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 3:41 pm     Reply with quote
Wow! I love this! It looks really nice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 3:49 pm     Reply with quote
Ragnarok --->

Hehe
Don´t be so obsesive with the material.

I use a normal eraser too. A good one, but a normal one. If you want some data it´s an stadler office20.

Some time ago I had the same obsesion, I though that if I had the same pencil that Azpiri had I would draw like he draw.

I was more time thinking about what I lack than what I had. And I had a pencil, a paper
and some spare time.

That was enough, but I didn´t knew it.

A good japanesse friend of mine teached me that the important thing it is the artist and not the tool, it´s person and his work and not the medium.

It´s something that seems obvius, but sometimes we can´t understand it.

Now I understand it at its full, and since then I began to improve my skills.

Sometime ago I readed a really interesting book of the work of the grand-master Jeffrey Jones. He told something really interesting:

"The first fan letters I wrote were to Mort Drucker and Al Williamson. Al Williamson wrote back a wonderful letter. I don´t know if Drucker ever even received the letter I sent. I had the gall to ask him the most embarrassing, lame question of all, which was, "Mr.Drucker, I love your work. Could you please tell me what size pen points you use?" Like that´s all there was to it. If I could find those points I could be a great artist. I could be Mort Drucker. [laughs] I don´t know how many times people have come and asked what size brush I use, pen points, paint, like it makes any difference. It dosn´t. If you can draw, you can draw on a paper bag with a burnt stick. [laughs]"

The book is published by Vanguard, it´s called "JeffreyJones Sketch book"

I reccommend it a lot.
it´s Astounding !

Hehehe !!!
This text seems of martial arts or something similar!!!

Sorry I´m a bit crazy !!! ;;;
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 3:54 pm     Reply with quote
Hybrid --->

Thanks a lot !!!
Very happy !!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 4:25 pm     Reply with quote
I have some "interesting" material.
Look, the small one is the pencil I usually draw with, and I also do all my quimics and maths exercises with it


I'm not obsessed with the material, not yet
My only complain right now is that my sketchbook's page's size is bigger than what my scanner can handle
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 4:39 pm     Reply with quote
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You´re an "animal de mucho cuidao"

No me extraña que te quejes del material!
Si rasparás el papel con las uñas so bestia !!!

A ver si antes de que empiecen las clases haces algo y lo pones por aquí.

Y haz el favor de comprarte un lapiz nuevo, o un apura-lápices en su defecto, que el bicho ese da pena ! Si quieres te mando veinte duricos por correo...

Hasta luego!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 4:59 pm     Reply with quote
Hahaha!!
I will scan some drawings I've made on my phylosophy book and post them here so you can see what I can make with that little beast that pencil is
Well, I've scanned it already, here I have some of the many drawings I have on my books:




As you can see, my phylosophy class aren't very amusing

-Ragnarok

[edit]I'm going to bed, I'm so tired I mess the UBB code [/edit]

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2001 11:20 pm     Reply with quote
Ragnarok --->

First of all sorry for not post yesterday, but I went to slept. I was tired.

Philosophy is amazing. I´m sure that your teacher is who make you bored.

I drew in classes too

Hehe! They look really spanish! They have "bandolero´s" faces!! I like the first one the most (the one who is shouting). Is the one who is more and goes out from the typical 3/4 stuff we all have the mania to draw.

The second seems that had a "permiso" for Xmas and left "Caravanchel" to visit his mom !!! I like his so wide eyebrown !!! Makes him seems dangerous !!!

As a "consejo": try to make different drawings every time. if you see the 3 faces you can see the same extructure with different details.

I had the same mistake. Only drawed 3/4 heads with torso. Right now I´m working hard with poses. They result me really difficult.

It´s rally hard to draw hands right now because I almost have never drawn them before...

Every time you draw try to make your drawing more and more complete, and more different.

Think in drawing as a personal challenge.

And classes are for Study !!!
At less I hope you pass the exams


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 12:35 am     Reply with quote
Sempere -

I like it! Very cartoony yet somewhat surreal feel to this. What did you do this with? Sorry if I missed that from your previous thread...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 6:34 am     Reply with quote
Well, as this is becoming a Spanish thread, I'll tell to:
SEMPERE: I really like your drawing, though it is a bit "cartoonish" for my preferences, but I can tell when someone knows about proportions, anatomy, etc...even if they draw Mickey Mouse, and you know about all that. Great job.
RAGNAROK: Have you seen the thread "Final Sketch" from Mega? He uses the technique described by Sempere: the paper gives the color to the background, while you have to add shapes, the shadows, and the lighting (with a white pencil or so). It was a style often used in the Renaissance (no sé si se escribe así Renacimiento, pero bueno), as you can see in Michellangelo's and Leonardo's drawings.
And you should study more and draw less (this is what my parents used to tell me too...).
Again, Sempere, great pic.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 6:36 am     Reply with quote
By the way Ragnarok...are you lefty (zurdo)?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 7:43 am     Reply with quote
No, I draw, write, etc with my right hand, why did you think I'm lefty?
Oh, and I have good marks on the exams, although Bachiller is much more difficult than ESO.
BTW, here it is a drawing I made during a really boring quimics class:


What I'm aiming with my lastest "portraits" is not learn the anatomy (which I should do) but to give them expression, an emotion.
I wonder if I achieve it...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 2:31 pm     Reply with quote
Tayete --->

Thanks for reply! And happy to see that you like my picture.

I agree with you about anatomy importance.
But there´s a lot of determining factors that nobody should forgot.

I know a lot of artists who are able absolutely astounding representing reality as real as it is, but they are unable of make something of its own. They need reference material as air.

You should see this in the fantastic art field.

There´s who use the reference as it´s, a reference. But there is who pick up a photograph (or a model) and photocopy it in the media he/she is using adding some complements. The result will be, ironically, liveless paintings.

Are you sure if el señor Ibañez (the great master creator of Mortadelo y Filemon) or a lot of cartonisis are able to make a perfect anatomy study ?

I´m not.

But I´m sure that his drawings, his characters are alive !

That´s the important thing.
You can see characters as Snoopy or Garfield (or if you want something more actual Bone) and you will see a dog and a cat.

They are alive.
This is the magic of drawing !
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 2:37 pm     Reply with quote
What a non-sense I wrote !!!
Sorry

Ragnarok --->

Happy to see that you´re a good student !!!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2001 4:16 pm     Reply with quote
Well, tayete, I really tend to make my characters looking to the left, but in a canvas, the right represents de future, de left the past, the top the positive the bottom the negative. Therefor, I try to make positive characters looking at the right.
If you see my last character he is facing the left side and has an uncomfortable look.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2001 12:34 am     Reply with quote
Well, I think anatomy is the basis for everything. If you know how the muscles work, you can make your characters show any emotion you wish.
I asked about left-right handed, because I've noticed that most of right-handed people tend to draw figures looking to the left (seems easier), and lefties create right looking figures.
Anyway, maybe you are the exception, or maybe it was just an illusion.
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