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P-Rik · Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:12 am

Hi there. I wanted to speak about your material.

I just have learn that the main elements (screen, wifi, gsm, radio etc...) are nocive for the human health.

This information is hide only for buisness interrest.

I personally have a gsm, 2 cathodic screen, a wifi router, a hi-fi installation. I'm cercled by a really lot of electromagnitics micro-waves wich can provoque some cancer and others ...

Cancer are more and more present in our life. I am 25 years old, and in my generation, 75% of the people will have a cancer. it's proved, and the risk is growing up !

What are you thinking about it ?
Thanks ...
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Drunken Monkey · Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:14 am

i don't know if wireless routers, ghz phones and other stuff is causing any cancer... but if they do,, no choice about it if you live in a civilized part of the world really.. might as well move into a deep forest and live in semi-seclusion. pure, clean, but mind crushingly boring life.
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Max · Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:10 am

oDD · Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:12 am

Impaler · Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:40 am

Yeah, oDD is right. Your computer won't give you cancer, except for making you fat and lazy.

It's been estimated that up to as many as 50% of cancer cases are caused by poor diet (too much red meat, etc.). Smoking is another big killer. Ionizing radiation and environmental hazards? 5%.

This illustrates basic human nature, though. Remember the big cell phone scare from 8 years back? Millions of idiots worrying about a microscopic dose of radiation from their cell phone while puffing away on their cigarettes, walking around without sunscreen and eating a burger everyday. It's easier to make a lot of noise about some minor threat than it is to make some basic lifestyle changes.
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balistic · Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:33 am

EM radiation is scary to people because they can't see it. It may help to remind yourself that it's all just photons. Radio, infrared, microwaves . . . all made of the same stuff as visible light. Because photons have very little mass, this kind of radiation has to be very high in intensity before it stands much chance of doing you harm (a laser, basically).

Also, while it's true that we have more radio-transmitting devices these days, they are all spread out across different bands of the spectrum. The signals have to be, or our gadgets would interfere with each other. If we were dumping all that energy into only a narrow band of frequency, then we would have more cause to worry.

And remember that EM radiation is completely different from the kind of radiation that radioactive materials emit. Particles like neutrons are much more dangerous than photons because they have more mass, and can more easily knock chunks out of your DNA, causting mutation and sickness.

This is the kind of radiation that will increase when the Earth's magnetic field is in the process of inverting, which will probably happen sometime in the next ten thousand years (it is already growing unstable). Without a magnetic field to protect us, the worst-case scenario would be a 2-5% increase in cancer rates, which is certainly bad, but not civilization ending.

As others have said, sitting in a chair all day and using a mouse all the time are bigger health problems than the EM fields of your consumer electronic equipment.
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balistic · Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:34 am

edit: double post

Capt. Fred · Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:39 am

Technology has to pass health regulations.
If it was Proved significantly harmful, it would instantly be made illegal.
The fact that it is not illegal means it has (probably) been Proved not harmful.

People feared the health effects of the Edison electric light in the beginning.
I hope it should turn out the same way.

However, to state the obvious: Whilst the long-term affect to health is unknown, it is not possible to say whether it is harmful or safe.

oDD · Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:10 pm

Capt. Fred · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:52 am

I guess technology is pretty different to leisure time products.
Okay, okay, I accept my zero point score from the debate society.

Pringle · Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:14 am

I'm pretty sure that cigarettes would be banned if they were introduced to the market today.
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notic · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:24 am

personally, i think that cell phones are bad for you.. and kids especially shouldn't use them, considering their brains are developing, and their bone mass isn't as thick as an adults, which makes them more voulnerable.

when i use a cell phone (holding it against my ear) i sometimes get a headache, i really hope that my brain is just fabricating it though, because it really freaks me out.

i recommend handsfree for people using their cell phones..some people may think it looks "uncool", but your health is way more important..

as others mentioned, eating unhealthy is a big problem. enviromental pollution is also a known fact for the increasing amount of cancer victims.

if someone thinks products of electricity isn't harmless, just take a look at people who are allergic to electricity. if they come nearby any kind of electricity, they can get really ill.

balistic · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:14 am

notic · Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:09 am

sorry, the word "allergy" isn't right.

what i meant was that these individuals claim they are sensitive to electromagnetic fields.. I saw a documentary about this on swedish television a couple of years ago.. some say that these individuals are just making it up, but some scientists and psychologists say they don't.

there is some reading on the internet about this, Uppsala University published this: ( http://www.medsci.uu.se/occmed/webkurs/trends/emf.htm )

i'm not going to defend any of this though, as i don't know of any experiments nor their outcome. I'm generally not a believer until i see evidence, but i think that one should always consider the possibility.

Godwin · Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:54 am

I remember that Earth is a giant magnet, maybe they're allergic to life.
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i stopped using my cell phone when my brain exploded.

Max · Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:04 pm

There's electricity in the brain too...right?!

notic · Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:16 am

godwin, not -electro-magnetic though Smile

max, youre right. the nerve cell's "action potential"(which is the electrical "current") is about 40mV, with a peek at about 50millivolts.

40millivolts is 0.04 volts, which is very low.

for comparison:
a regular AAA-battery is 1.5 volts
a high voltage power line is: 110 000 up to 1 150 000 volts
(facts from wikipedia.org)

living nearby high voltage lines is probably not that good if there is such a thing as being sensitive to electric fields..