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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:46 pm     Reply with quote
Wacom sells a new Cintiq since this month, the Cintiq 12WX.



Now i wonder if anyone here already has this one?
And i wonder, how to work with that extra monitor, because it has a aspect ratio of 8:10 instead of 3:4 and my others screens have a higher resolution.

So i cant split the Signal, but i even wont give away one of my Dual Monitors Confused
Any ideas... ?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:52 pm     Reply with quote
neff wrote:
So i cant split the Signal, but i even wont give away one of my Dual Monitors Confused

Any ideas... ?


Another graphics card?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:43 am     Reply with quote
looks like its running @ 1280x800px
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:21 am     Reply with quote
The resolution's not *too* limiting, although it would probably seem like a big step down from 1400x1050 on my 12" tablet PC.

Actually, I guess you could keep all your Painter/PS interface elements on another monitor, and just use the Cintiq for the painting itself. That wouldn't be so bad.

Any word on price? I like that, unlike the big Cintiqs, this one seems able to be used in your lap.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:18 pm     Reply with quote
In Europe it will Cost about 1180 Euro
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:38 pm     Reply with quote
The problem with those "cheaper" pen displays is that they don't have a good rotating support
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:06 pm     Reply with quote
Just wanted to point out, in case someone hasn't yet noticed, from Wacom's website you can buy refurbished pads for a decent discount. Some Cintiqs there as well last time I checked. Buying used directly from a private person is probably cheaper, but you might not find what you need and through Wacom you get a properly checked and tested product.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:58 pm     Reply with quote
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The problem with those "cheaper" pen displays is that they don't have a good rotating support


What? "Cheaper?" 1200 Bucks are not cheap... what do u mean with Rotating Support?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:48 pm     Reply with quote
Hmm that aspect ratio on portrait mode set on Properties could be interesting for character concepts. Though I'm not sure if being interesting is enough to warrant the 1200+ price tag.

I found this info on Wacom Asia. http://www.wacom-asia.com/cintiq/cintiq12/index.html

What you guys reckon: good product or mere curiosity?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:24 pm     Reply with quote
You can buy a pretty decent tablet PC for that much, and not be tethered to your desk.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:13 am     Reply with quote
I would use it for commercial work most of the time so I don't think being tethered to a desk is very big an issue. Tablet PC's seem nice but the ones I'd like are in 2500 buck price range. My computer is okay for but old SyncMaster CRT screen I got from my bro and Intuos 3 A5 are liabilities when working at home.

So I have couple of possible upgrades:

A) Apple Cinema Display 23" + Intuos A4 = 1300 €
+good screen
+familiar tablet
- I already have an one size smaller Intuos so buying new one feels like a waste of money

B) Cintiq 21UX = 2500-2800 €
- expensive
- cant be held on lap when painting
- response time seems a bit low to my eye
- cursor floats, maybe fixable with careful calibration

C) New Cintiq 12WX = 1200€?
+ seems cool
+ can be held on lap
+ brushes and shit would be on the cintiq screen so I wouldn't need a new big LCD right away, as my CRT is enought when in full screen mode.
- haven't tested it yet

D) Tablet PC = ?
+ It's all in one package, I wouldn't have to buy a new desktop in foreseen future.
- are screens in these decent enough for commercial work?
- pen sensitivity?

Sorry for taking this thread off topic but there is hardly any reason to create new thread for this.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:34 am     Reply with quote
Freebooter wrote:

D) Tablet PC = ?
+ It's all in one package, I wouldn't have to buy a new desktop in foreseen future.
- are screens in these decent enough for commercial work?
- pen sensitivity?


Tablet screens tend not to be quite as nice as regular notebook screens or desktop displays. Most of them are 6-bit dithered instead of true 8-bit.

Mine is fine with contrast, but it tends to undersaturate, so I find that I have to do my final color correction on a "real" monitor.

Pen sensitivity on any recent tablet will be 256 pressure levels, with no tilt. Personally I think that's plenty.

You do have to calibrate the pointer position to compensate for the thickness of the screen covering, and it's still never going to be pixel perfect. You'll find that you need to zoom in for precise drawing.

I love my tablet, but the platform does still have its limitations. I've done many full size, full color illustrations on it, but mostly I use it as a sketchbook.

That said, you could always use a tablet as a workstation, and just plug in an external monitor. You'd want a 4:3 screen, to match the proportions of most tablets. I know my Toshiba will output up to 1920x1200.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:52 am     Reply with quote
I took the leap of faith and ordered that new Cintiq 12WX. For 1229 € it's a good thing that we have strict customer protection laws here in Finland. I get back to you when I get it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:03 am     Reply with quote
When I get back to Finland, I am going to squat at your place, freebooter. Better order a second Cintiq.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:40 am     Reply with quote
Affected> I already had to sell my left kidney just to get the first one. But both of my eyes still have corneas, I could sell one of them for some buck. Who needs both eyes when painting only 2D?

I asked some questions at Wacom forum if anyone is interested
http://www.wacom.eu/forum/topic.asp?lang=uk&TOPIC_ID=9819&whichpage=3&ARCHIVE=
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:29 pm     Reply with quote
I absolutely LOVE working on a Cintique, got the 21" at work. They kinda spoil concept guys. Razz

Thing is, I don't think I'd EVER buy one for home. IMHO, they are flagrantly overpriced. Consider:

It's basically an LCD on top of an Intuos.

21"LCD= $300-ish
12x19"Intuos= $750-ish
= $1050(ish)

Meanwhile it(21" Version) costs almost THREE TIMES that.

You can not tell me those cost anywhere NEAR 3K to make.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:48 am     Reply with quote
I'll order that Cintiq 12WX this Weekend.
We`ll see if it's worth.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:43 pm     Reply with quote
Apparently Cintiq 12WX is out of stock, at least in Wacom Online Shop. Damn.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:23 am     Reply with quote
My german shop told me about 2-14 Days Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:19 pm     Reply with quote
Well, my order takes 2-5 weeks.. damn. Although one Finnish online store said that "as soon as you pay the bill we'll send you the package in two work days". Sounds quite rotten to me as even Wacom Online shop has their own product out of stock at the moment, as do Play and Amazon.

Oh when will we see this elusive god-product?

EDIT: hmm yesterday Wacom Webshop said Available November 26th but now I looked at it again and lo: available from December 10th, 2007!

Could be that my Christmas isn't going to be merry after all Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:34 am     Reply with quote
Any of you guys got both intous and cintiq experience? which one do you prefer ?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:27 am     Reply with quote
Freebooter: assuming that december 10th date holds, you will get it by christmas without a hitch. I ordered my Intuos from Wacom UK, once they actually shipped it I believe it only took a day or two to arrive.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:15 am     Reply with quote
I ordered mine from verkkokauppa.com. I wanted to be sure that I can return the product if it proves to be shitty.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:30 am     Reply with quote
by "order" you mean mail-order right? Because if you buy the product at the store instead of them shipping it to you, you don't have the right to return it except if it is faulty. That was verkkokauppa policy anyway, not sure what the actual law is.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:50 am     Reply with quote
The way it says in their policy it doesn't matter whether they post it or you pick it up personally, as long as you ordered it from internet. In Finnish:'Meillä on 14 päivän palautus- ja vaihto-oikeus postipaketin tai noutotilauksen noutohetkestä alkaen'

Apparently it is different thing if you just walk in and buy something readily available straight from the shelf.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:51 pm     Reply with quote
omg.. my dealer wrote in my status email, that it will not arive before jan2008!

AAAAAH! Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:14 am     Reply with quote
neff> that sucks so much! It seems that Cintiq 12WX is really low on stock. I placed orders to two different dealers in 16th November, but last week both replied me that there is a serious shortage and they can only send me the product in January 2008. It seemed like I wouldn't have a white Christmas this year.

But alas! Yesterday I found that one place still had the new Cintiq in stock! I immediately placed my order and paid it, I'll should get it this week, even by Wednesday if I'm lucky.

I'm so happy, oh so happy...lalallalaa
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:16 am     Reply with quote
Oh neff, you do live in Germany right? Mayhap you can order yours from there too: http://www.pixmania.com/
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:38 am     Reply with quote
Cintiq 12WX isn't even widely available yet and they're already releasing a new cintiq! Behold CINTIQ 20 WSX http://www.wacom.com/cintiq/20WSX.cfm

My cintiq 12WX is in the mail! Woot
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:22 am     Reply with quote
Oh my brain hurts!
The Cintiq was supposed to be here last Friday, but they loaded the package on a wrong damn plane! My shipment has been touring Norway for past four days, and now they finally had the brains to redirect it to Finland. I probably would've been a first person in Finland to own Cintiq 12WX, but of course they just had to Fess it up.

Now, if it gets stuck on a customs I'm going to blow.
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