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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:52 am     Reply with quote
Bit more about edges in Sculptris (been meaning to do this for a while): see
cube, below (26 triangles).

Turning off "Beautify..." gets rid of a lot of (but not all) 'elasticity' (which
otherwise works so well). Very sharp points and edges are possible via
grabbing/moving single vertexes.

More triangles aren't necessarily better (Sculptris developers obviously
disagree), especially when exporting to Blender (am just now learning this
myself). Er, less is more? Smile



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:53 am     Reply with quote
Quick one (and learned a couple things):

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:37 am     Reply with quote
durgldeep, wow you are really good, you sure have anatomy down in your bank, awesome. Very Happy Page TEN yey! Twisted Evil

the theme is going slow over at cgsociety, seems like I am the only one posting bathroom stuff lol. ..Hmm maybe a boring topic.
I added some stuff to the hand basin for fun, might add some more and finish the scene.....

+ bath tub, 15 minutes
+ mirror cabinet, 5 minutes

rather speedy objects, they don't stand for a close up shot.
On the other hand btw the render took 2 hours, hah so much for cycles, damn samples takes forever. If anyone of you understand the CPU to GPU settings I would appreciate some lessons. Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:38 pm     Reply with quote
Thanks whom, long way to go yet - but I think I'm kidding myself (still) that I
have to master everything. John Seymour (again): "How much is enough?"

Blender is a 'high end'/professional program - but I'm not a professional, just a
Joe who wants to do a story. Smile

whom wrote:
On the other hand btw the render took 2 hours, hah so much for cycles, damn samples takes forever.


That's a useful aside. Been wondering about render times for simple subjects.
Still haven't checked out Blender's 'gaming' interface; that might be more my
speed (something half way between SU and 'high end'?). Seems each new
discovery (see cube, above) is conspiring in that direction anyhow. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:30 am     Reply with quote
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Thanks whom, long way to go yet - but I think I'm kidding myself (still) that I
have to master everything. John Seymour (again): "How much is enough?"

Blender is a 'high end'/professional program - but I'm not a professional, just a
Joe who wants to do a story. Smile

whom wrote:
On the other hand btw the render took 2 hours, hah so much for cycles, damn samples takes forever.


That's a useful aside. Been wondering about render times for simple subjects.
Still haven't checked out Blender's 'gaming' interface; that might be more my
speed (something half way between SU and 'high end'?). Seems each new
discovery (see cube, above) is conspiring in that direction anyhow. Smile


Got some help regarding GPU rendering over at Cgsociety, apparently my graphics card doesn't have support for GPU rendering at this time. they talked about a MINgw build over at graphicall to cut render times into half. I feel I have started to focus more on modeling than to do fancy renders at the moment, better spent time on practise, well hopfeully lol.

You know about that Swedish guy who created Sculptris right? Got hired by pixologic some two years ago and hence no updates on Sculptris, might not be either. I wish there was support to pose objects in Sculptris.
I heard that there is in Zbrush....
Wish I could afford a copy.....

I talked about posing previously but I meant rigging the character so that you can animate it, that stuff messes with my head eventhough I have made half succesful stuff with it, well maybe....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:41 am     Reply with quote
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You know about that Swedish guy who created Sculptris right? Got hired by pixologic some two years ago and hence no updates on Sculptris, might not be either.


Yep, I have a vauge idea of the various stories behind each bit of software.
Apparently I wasn't far wrong re Sculptris acting as a promo for ZBrush:

"Pixologic is backing the package so we have to assume that they’re
offering it to get leads for selling full versions of ZBrush."
http://www.mrbluesummers.com/4249/3d-tutorials/sculptris-review

I haven't checked out ZBrush (likely lots of tutorials out there) but like
Blender apparently subdivision is or was an issue:

"Thats why i like [Sculptris] over zbrush, its like real sculpting, youre not
restricted and limited to subdivisions and you dont have to subdivide to
make tiny details."
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?90654-Ash-s-Sculptris-Sideshow-Alley

This (below) seems to be a decent intro to BMesh (if you can survive the
tedium of a blank screen intro). Also mentions the Knife tool which is
great for chainsawing imported SC meshes. Very Happy

Blenders New BMesh Modeling System - Overview 01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdx70AExNyg

Oh "rigging", okay. I'd like to try that (as mentioned). So far haven't found
any tutorials that I'd ask anyone to sit through, lol, but will add them here
if/when I do. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:11 pm     Reply with quote
Adding sphenoid/ethmoid was a marathon too (and this is just blocking) -
forgot vomer (added that too). No palatine yet...

Interesting thing about ethmoid (pic of light shining behind/through it):
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser/Labs/Anatomy_&_Physiology/A&P201/Skeletal/skull/up_the_nose_PA281071.JPG

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:03 pm     Reply with quote
Still taming Sculptris - *cracks whip* Very Happy
Back to tiling/landscapes (still with an eye on Sketchup), hexagons should
fix a couple things, including trangle glut (not everyone's machine can
handle triangle/quad mania (mine's middle of the road)).

Below, SU hexagon imported via Blender. Duplcate and, with a bit of Detail
enabled touch the second one (near middle) with the grab tool ("Global"
and "Limit" turned off); subdivides beautifully, ie. not a linear SU/SC
plane. Grand total of 52 triangles. Grab/move single vertexes and u've got
the beginning of an asymmetrical landscape element.
[Edit: changed above Global/Limit details a couple times; got it right this time.]

Stay tuned for part two (if I can resist more skeleton stuff)... Smile




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And of course:


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Speaking of skeletons/anatomy/ZBrush, a few models here (good stuff):
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?169478-Luo-Qisheng-s-Sketch-Book-human-anatomies-and-heads

Oh, that's a (calculated) promo for ZBrush too, sorry Rolling Eyes - see blurb/gush
here:
http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?169478&p=958752&viewfull=1#post958752
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:50 am     Reply with quote
Wondered if I could simplify/speed up the design process (see whom's
model, page eight). Sculptris, 276 triangles, sharp edges (the other reason
to do it). SC fights u every step of the way, even with options turned off (as
above) but still faster than SU and maybe Blender too (in SC moving
vertexes is the only option, no decisions/switching required).









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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:38 am     Reply with quote
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Wondered if I could simplify/speed up the design process (see whom's
model, page eight). Sculptris, 276 triangles, sharp edges (the other reason
to do it). SC fights u every step of the way, even with options turned off (as
above) but still faster than SU and maybe Blender too (in SC moving
vertexes is the only option, no decisions/switching required).



Was that imported too? Looks real good, how does it work if you wanna do cavities and add detail? Sorry not much 3d from my side lately, gonna do some 3d for the weekend for real..... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:32 am     Reply with quote
whom, sketched in sculptris and imported into SU yeah. I think cavities would
be tough in SC, easier in SU for sure (detail too). We'll see what happens with
the second one (want to sketch a bunch of vehicles so I need a method that's
fast)...

Full skeleton is coming along, progress shot (proportions/alignments are all
off):

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:06 am     Reply with quote
the skeleton looks really good, good work durgldeep. Smile


Made a diamond shaped handle grip to show someone over at cgsociety how to simplify the grip for a flashlight, especially if one wanna use arrays and stuff.
Anyway, played around a little with the shape and experimented some with lights and a mix of shaders; nothing special........
could maybe be useful for dragons scales? Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:46 am     Reply with quote
Thanks whom - dragon scales, yes! We can see a demo soon? Very Happy

Re rigging, found a couple watchable tutorials, one for rigging/skinning one
for animation. Blender v2.5 but gives a good idea of what's involved (lots
for 2.6 on YT, people can find whatever suits them).

Rigging and Skinning a Character Model
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPbSGUPj72w

Making a Simple Walk Animation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSDWfx6ib9k

The other useful example is the model: triangles and quads but mostly
triangles (see screen grab below): partly what I was 'thinking' when doing
the plane (above). Just spent a couple hours on a quad-based mesh (didn't
get past the nose)... think I'll stick to triangles (and a couple quads to
appease the Blender gods). Smile


Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPbSGUPj72w
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Not sure why I didn't google before - or why whom didn't educate us
*glares* Wink - (first two results for "3D why quads?"):

Quads vs. Triangles - Blender Newbies 3D Video Tutorials [not a video]
http://blendernewbies.blogspot.ca/2008/11/3d-mesh-topology-tip-quads-vs-triangles.html

3D Modeling Question - Why only quads?
http://www.blitzmax.com/Community/posts.php?topic=76535

Summary: quads are more 'professional' (o sniff - o sniff I say Razz ) - use
whichever you like (whichever is faster, more comfortable, etc.). Issue
resolved. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:42 am     Reply with quote
Still chugging... learned new stuff re lighting, materials, vertex paint, mesh,
etc. About ready for some rigging, I think (YT vids are useful, tho everyone
has their own method (bit disorienting))...

Sloppy reduced figure/mesh:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:17 am     Reply with quote
awesome thread!

Im playing with Sculptris and Blender for a while. I dont think that I post something made by Blender very soon though I can do some quickies with Sculptris.

Blender reminds me of Lightwave so the transition was made easier than I thought. My goal is to be able make a cool car, realistic one ...someday. I have to go through the whole thread to learn some new things.

Durgledeep, awesome experiment with airplane, it gives idea how to make an object then export to blender. A pro can make that about fast in Blender though but for me, beginner, to start in Sculptris is so much easier ,it is like working on clay, with hands. Razz Skipping to deal with boring switch modes between vertex, faces etc.

here comes SC quickies




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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:37 pm     Reply with quote
Tomasis - yay! Lots of character in those. Smile

Agree that SC is best for building. I guess in Blender extra keystrokes are
second nature to those who use it a lot, ie. the program we use most is the
one that's 'easiest'?

On the other hand the 'short cut' between vertex, edge and face modes is
really something (as u've noticed): 1. Ctrl + Tab; 2. mouse move (or arrow
key); 3. click mouse (or hit Enter). Maybe easier with a tablet, dunno.
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Edit: my mistake, the short cuts are even shorter; Ctrl + Tab > E for
edge, > V for vertex, > F for face. Sorry for the misleading info.
Embarassed
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"Beginner" is an interesting word. We can have lots of ability/talent (in
sculpting or whatever), the program either gets in the way of that or it
doesn't - I think the worst ones are like typing with broomsticks (from
across the room): absurd.

That Blender demo (from chat) -

Skinned and animated ragdoll Demo blender game engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PVc520YcQo

- got me looking at 'pop' 3d standards (models, animation, lighting) -
stumbled onto these (yes I need some comic relief at this point):

100 Ways to Die in Skyrim - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEWrpSzogOo

100 Ways to Die in Skyrim - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEzeybl3kTY

And one that might explain some of my interest in 3D (or anyone's):

Over 5000 KEVA planks building - Bullet Physics [no sound]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9HaT23b-xc
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:45 pm     Reply with quote
Still experimenting...

Couldn't resist the 'all-quad challenge' (why does that sound sporty...). Here's
one way (not sure it's the best way) to deal with an isolated triangle: starting in
the middle of any one side, use the Knife tool (short cut = K) to cut a single line
(see below). The triangle's now a quad - and your friends will scorn you no
longer. Wink


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News to me, selling doctored copies of Blender for profit:

3DMofun - another shameless Blender copy
http://www.blender.org/blenderorg/blender-foundation/press/re-branding-blender/
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:07 am     Reply with quote
Blocking for cervical spine (mostly copies, obviously). Speeding just to get it
done, will tweak later (if/when). Looks too tidy atm... Ends of spines aren't
closed (only way to make holes in Sculptris; easily closed in Blender).

Awesome/fascinating(/challenging) geometry/shapes in a skeleton. Glad I
stopped to do it. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:26 am     Reply with quote
*bump*

Been working on alignment stuff (how it affects external form/pose) so nothing
new to show - it all looks the same? Smile

Been a bit of discussion (elsewhere) about solo/collaborative work, ie. paint is
mostly a solo effort (see the evidence) and 3d tends to be collaborative - if u
don't believe that, go ahead and try it? Hehe. Very Happy

Found two maybe impressive shorts (maybe old news by now), solo (wow...)
and duo:

Rosa (Short CGI Movie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WFC5UPaEIc

Doroga - A CGI Animated short film by Alex Filipov & Sotir Gelev [VODO]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjEB4Xqqul8

Edit: oops, whole team involved in the second one (see credits). My mistake.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:42 am     Reply with quote
Almost like someone pulled the plug on the forum during the summer, strange...
Hey durgldeep I bet we post more pm's to eachother than what there have been posts in the forum lately. Twisted Evil

Started to look a little bit more on the game engine today, gonna try to follow tutorials and then do the same. It is gonna be an excessive project for sure but worthy in the end.
Í already succesfully exported an exe file as a standalone game, not much happening in the game yet though but the cube can move back and forth and collide with the walls, managed to add a"motion" as a jump too. Smile

a screen:




you still doing anatomy durgldeep?



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:55 am     Reply with quote
durgldeep wrote:
Rosa (Short CGI Movie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WFC5UPaEIc

That's great.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:03 am     Reply with quote
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you still doing anatomy durgldeep?


Yep, sure am. Smile

Will likely do some 'studies' and drop them in here (an arm or something);
need more practice (always)...

Took another side trip into anthropology. Comparative anatomy helps with
understanding where things are and why, tho don't want to get stuck there
(could eat up tons of time)...

CARTA: The Upright Ape: Bipedalism and Human Origins - Footprints
Body Form and Locomotion [2012]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCPQK7OdhUY

CARTA: The Upright Ape: Bipedalism and Human Origins - Running
Walking and Evolution [2012]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTv5KhUtbx0

Am liking this vid (below): we dig up hominin fossils - who's gonna dig up
ours? Razz

Godaizer Animated Short. (Full Length 19 min version.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtiRzqKfv4g

Interesting game test, whom. Still more Blender stuff... u scare me. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:52 am     Reply with quote
thanks durgldeep. Smile

Yea I keep experimenting with motion, still using a cube for my simple games. lol maybe I should post this in the square thread we had way back... Embarassed

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Hey durgldeep, I found a new toy in Blender you should check it up. It's a plugin called Cloud Generator, have started some experiments with it but it only works for the old internal render....
You activate it from the add ons (object)....

Here's a building concept...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:25 pm     Reply with quote
Nice building, whom. Looks a bit like a space ship too. Smile

whom wrote:
Hey durgldeep, I found a new toy in Blender you should check it up. It's a plugin called Cloud Generator, have started some experiments with it but it only works for the old internal render....
You activate it from the add ons (object)....


Hmmmm, I think u overestimate my technical savvy? I'm just a "dumb
artist type". Embarassed I agree that messing around with basic stuff can
produce unexpected results/discoveries so that's what I do. Smile

Would be great to see more landscapes (like that mountain, previous
page). Maybe demo the Cloud Generator?

Am feeling a bit bored re anatomy/landscapes, time to shift gears, I think... Smile
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Guess I should mention this here too: found an answer to the Blender
"components" question (think I wondered about it earlier, upthread):

Making components/groups
http://www.blender.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19247&sid=e7fd6e4cf70a2069fb187a1cae811c68
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Keep thinking I should watch fewer videos - wrong direction. Very Happy

whom, check it out (tree addon; a walk-through, which is usually the only
way I can do it):

Blender 2.6x Tropical Terrain - 01 - Palm Tree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCVqOSRT91I
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Okay. Shocked


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The good news is, u still have to make the basic shape of the cloud - and
better news: my processor is way too slow for this stuff (heh), otherwise I'd be
fiddliing forever. Smile

Bad, bad colour (below), etc... but it was a nice diversion. Smile

Edit: swapped out image, it was just too horrendous. This one's a bit
better (only a bit):




NB that's an awesome video series, imo (previous link). Smile
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i'm not that technical either and lol now come to think about it I am not sure I am that artistic either lmao, ah anyway I just enjoy to mess around with settings and in blender there are lots of those different settings. Very Happy

Wow inspirational clouds, I didn't have time to mess around with shapes yesterday but will be sure to mess around with that more. Lots of help to make easy clouds cause that usually takes a lot of time...
I made something quick when I saw yours durgldeep. Smile

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durgldeep, If you press space bar in the work space in Blender and type "quick" in the search bar you get different quick settings for fur, explode and stuff..... don't think there's fire yet though.... Maybe you knew about that?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:54 am     Reply with quote
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I made something quick when I saw yours durgldeep. Smile


Hehe, I'm resisting posting another one. Didn't think to try a circle, cool -
first one is the default cube (maybe obvious). It's engrossing, gotta pry
myself away from trying different objects... Twisted Evil

Knew about the space bar but not about "quick"; thanks. Lots of shortcuts
in that vid (above)... I tend to be more hands-on, I guess (disagree with a
lot of his methods and short cuts, meh). otoh doing *everything* in a
single program (no imported textures, etc.) is very appealing (have I said
this before?).

At least I gotta see how much Blender detail my CPU (or GPU) can handle.
That means a test run, of course. Very Happy
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Quote:
now come to think about it I am not sure I am that artistic either lmao


Well, whatever it's called, talent is talent (imo). Smile Completely self-taught?
Then u got a bad case of... whatever it is. Very Happy
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[rant] Note definition of "easier" (carried over from part 2 of 3) at beginning
of this vid (re placing palm leaves):

Palm Island tutorial - Part 3 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92XgrHQMHXA

"Should have just left it alone, I think." Hmmmm... Wink [/rant]
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Think I got the tree thing sorted (no luck in Sculptris): simplicity helps a lot.
'Box modeled' (default cube) and one subdivision (modifier). Branches in the
Blender models are detached... still finding what works for me. Smile

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